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I notice that reading that link, 22/23 acts of terrorism killing a hundred people or more happened in Iraq and Syria which is literally a war-zone. Just as a t

I notice that reading that link, 22/23 acts of terrorism killing a hundred people or more happened in Iraq and Syria which is literally a war-zone. Just as a thought experiment, if you listed civilian casualties in the Ukraine-Russia war as deaths from terroristic acts you could easily come to the conclusion that it was Eastern-European Christians that were the world's greatest terrorists.

and0 10y ago
The Bible and Quran share the same DNA. There's no difference between any type of religious extremism, just as there's no difference between any group of humans. The difference is context, and in the case of the Middle East the socioeconomic context is crushingly awful. Much of this (shoutouts to the Hypernomalization mention above, which I can't seem to reply to, excellent documentary) is even a result of more powerful, "Christian" nations.
- toyg 10y ago
  The current Ukraine-Russia conflict has little to do with religion.
- paulddraper 10y ago
  That's probably why the "Muslim ban" wasn't a ban on Muslim immigration, but a ban on immigration from particular Middle East countries.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    It is a ban on immigration exclusively from Muslim-majority countries with a bypass for Christians from those countries.
    - paulddraper 10y ago
      Christians do not have a pass. That wouldn't make sense anyway...how would they prove their Christianity?
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        > Christians do not have a pass. Members of "minority religions" in their country of origin are eligible for waivers of the bans issued in the EO. Trump has specifically said that Christians would be a priority. > That wouldn't make sense anyway...how would they prove their Christianity? Whether it would make sense or not is irrelevant to whether it is actually part of the policy.
        kevinmchugh 10y ago
        And the phrasing, and intent, does not recognize Shia as a minority religion, though they are very often just as persecuted as Christians.
  - pcwalton 10y ago
    We don't need Internet message board speculation as to why the order was worded the way it was. The reason is that Giuliani suggested that particular language to try to make the executive order a "legal Muslim ban". This has been widely reported on--in fact, it was front page news a week ago.

and0 10y ago

The Bible and Quran share the same DNA. There's no difference between any type of religious extremism, just as there's no difference between any group of humans. The difference is context, and in the case of the Middle East the socioeconomic context is crushingly awful. Much of this (shoutouts to the Hypernomalization mention above, which I can't seem to reply to, excellent documentary) is even a result of more powerful, "Christian" nations.

toyg 10y ago
The current Ukraine-Russia conflict has little to do with religion.
paulddraper 10y ago
That's probably why the "Muslim ban" wasn't a ban on Muslim immigration, but a ban on immigration from particular Middle East countries.
- tptacek 10y ago
  It is a ban on immigration exclusively from Muslim-majority countries with a bypass for Christians from those countries.
  - paulddraper 10y ago
    Christians do not have a pass. That wouldn't make sense anyway...how would they prove their Christianity?
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > Christians do not have a pass. Members of "minority religions" in their country of origin are eligible for waivers of the bans issued in the EO. Trump has specifically said that Christians would be a priority. > That wouldn't make sense anyway...how would they prove their Christianity? Whether it would make sense or not is irrelevant to whether it is actually part of the policy.
      - kevinmchugh 10y ago
        And the phrasing, and intent, does not recognize Shia as a minority religion, though they are very often just as persecuted as Christians.
- pcwalton 10y ago
  We don't need Internet message board speculation as to why the order was worded the way it was. The reason is that Giuliani suggested that particular language to try to make the executive order a "legal Muslim ban". This has been widely reported on--in fact, it was front page news a week ago.