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"Conway brought up the Obama's tightening of the Iraqi immigration during his term. Does that somehow justify Trump's immigration ban? -- No it doesn't What T

by ardit33 10y ago

"Conway brought up the Obama's tightening of the Iraqi immigration during his term. Does that somehow justify Trump's immigration ban? -- No it doesn't What Trump did is not just stop immigration, but completely stop even people with valid visas, and green cards (Permanent Residents) from even entering. This is unheard off. Some of them were "detained", put with handcuffed for over 20 hrs. In the midst of it there were a 5 yo, grandmas, and folks that worked for the US government, and served this country. Completely different than just slowing down/stopping refugees coming in. The executive order was cruel and poorly implemented, (and parts of it most likely illegal).

dominotw 10y ago
>Some of them were "detained", put with handcuffed for over 20 hrs. I have travel coming up in two months, this makes me nervous. Do you have a source for this by any chance?
- canadian_voter 10y ago
  It really depends where you're coming from and where you've been. If your a former Prime Minister of an allied nation, you'll probably only be detained an hour[0]. Otherwise your mileage may vary[1]. Your local authorities can probably give you some guidance on this. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/03/former-norwegian-prime-minister-detained-at-dulles-airport-for-an-hour-he-visited-iran-in-2014/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/0... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/nyregion/airports-travelers-detained-executive-order-donald-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/nyregion/airports-travele...
  - makomk 10y ago
    Though of course, said former Prime Minister was actually detained under an Obama-era policy that had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with a law passed in late 2015 that had overwhelming bipartisan support. One which got very little coverage until it could be tied to Trump's actions somehow.
    - bb611 10y ago
      It appears that Trump's CBP is significantly different from Obama's though. Where CBP had the option to stop travelers and didn't exercise it in the past, they're now doing so more frequently (at least for the subset of travelers in targeted countries). This is the problem with giving wide latitude to a trusted administration - it doesn't stop there.
      - dominotw 10y ago
        > CBP had the option to stop travelers and didn't exercise it in the past I had a colleague on H1b who was sent home because his port of new york when his place of employment was houston. He was going to visit his sister there before flying to houston. This is not a rare exception. There were many, many cases like this in 2009.
- ardit33 10y ago
  There are plenty of stories like this: Sudanese student at Stanford detained, handcuffed at JFK airport http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/28/stanford-university-student-detained-at-jfk-airport-for-five-hours-after-trumps-immigration-order/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/28/stanford-university-st...
  - gm-conspiracy 10y ago
    Horrible: She claimed that customs officials appeared confused and were apologetic to the detained travelers. One of them told her: “I have to do this.”
- URSpider94 10y ago
  If you have a visa or Green Card and are from one of the 7 countries, or have a passport stamp from one of those countries, I would DEFINITELY consult an immigration lawyer before travelling outside the USA right now.

by ardit33 10y ago

dominotw 10y ago

>Some of them were "detained", put with handcuffed for over 20 hrs. I have travel coming up in two months, this makes me nervous. Do you have a source for this by any chance?

canadian_voter 10y ago
It really depends where you're coming from and where you've been. If your a former Prime Minister of an allied nation, you'll probably only be detained an hour[0]. Otherwise your mileage may vary[1]. Your local authorities can probably give you some guidance on this. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/03/former-norwegian-prime-minister-detained-at-dulles-airport-for-an-hour-he-visited-iran-in-2014/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/0... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/nyregion/airports-travelers-detained-executive-order-donald-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/nyregion/airports-travele...
- makomk 10y ago
  Though of course, said former Prime Minister was actually detained under an Obama-era policy that had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with a law passed in late 2015 that had overwhelming bipartisan support. One which got very little coverage until it could be tied to Trump's actions somehow.
  - bb611 10y ago
    It appears that Trump's CBP is significantly different from Obama's though. Where CBP had the option to stop travelers and didn't exercise it in the past, they're now doing so more frequently (at least for the subset of travelers in targeted countries). This is the problem with giving wide latitude to a trusted administration - it doesn't stop there.
    - dominotw 10y ago
      > CBP had the option to stop travelers and didn't exercise it in the past I had a colleague on H1b who was sent home because his port of new york when his place of employment was houston. He was going to visit his sister there before flying to houston. This is not a rare exception. There were many, many cases like this in 2009.
ardit33 10y ago
There are plenty of stories like this: Sudanese student at Stanford detained, handcuffed at JFK airport http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/28/stanford-university-student-detained-at-jfk-airport-for-five-hours-after-trumps-immigration-order/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/28/stanford-university-st...
- gm-conspiracy 10y ago
  Horrible: She claimed that customs officials appeared confused and were apologetic to the detained travelers. One of them told her: “I have to do this.”
URSpider94 10y ago
If you have a visa or Green Card and are from one of the 7 countries, or have a passport stamp from one of those countries, I would DEFINITELY consult an immigration lawyer before travelling outside the USA right now.