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I never heard anyone bashing about C# and I'm writing C# code for 10 years now. There are just plenty of people favouring other languages which is fine. If you'

I never heard anyone bashing about C# and I'm writing C# code for 10 years now. There are just plenty of people favouring other languages which is fine. If you're looking for people bashing about it you'll sure find some.. same goes with basically everything.

sametmax 10y ago
+1. I mostly heard good thing about C#. It's usually quoted as one of the things MS did right. The biggest rejection comes from the strong windows orientation and the restrictive licenses. Now that the situation is improving for both, you will see the language gain traction.
- dpwm 10y ago
  Despite the strong windows orientation, there was an era when shiny new GTK desktop apps (f-spot for photos, banshee for music) were written in C# using the Gtk# bindings.
  - WorldMaker 10y ago
    I was a big fan of F-Spot, Banshee, and some of the others. The antagonism on some of the mailing lists against these Mono apps was part of my disappointment in some of the Linux community of that era. (Ubuntu moved some of these into the default distribution, got a lot of vocal minority flack from it, and removed them.)
dagurp 10y ago
I agree. My feeling is that people are generally very positive about C#. It encouraged me to start learning it.
rubber_duck 10y ago
There's a small ammount of trolls that spam "M$" kind of arguments but they are largely ignored from what I've seen. On the flip side there's a lot of people who over-represent C# especially in comparison with Java. I mean the language is very nice, better than Java no doubt - but the platform and ecosystem is much less mature than JVM. Where is the .NET equivalent of ZooKeeper, Hadoop etc. .NET can use those like any other language but the fact of the matter is that Java was and is still the choice on those kinds of projects and the ecosystem is much bigger. Even when .NET gets something from those like Akka.NET, JGit it's usually a worse copy. And JVM ecosystem is much more distributed, there's plenty of stuff going around all over - Scala feels a lot more popular in the real world than F#, Clojure feels like a similarly niche thing but is entirely community driven, and the early results from Graal/Truffle were quite impressive, much better than Microsoft did with the DLR before they left it off to community.
- throwawaydbfif 10y ago
  Yes this 100%. Community ecosystem is a joke on C# compared to Java. Take for example lucene. I just used version 3.03 in a C# project because the port hasn't been updated in years. Version 6.x is the current one. We also needed to use Redis in C# and the client is unstable. Nothing we can do about it besides catch the exceptions and randomly reconnect when it happens. Are we losing some data? Probably. Even if the open source community embraces C# it will take 10 years before the offerings are comparable to Java. And for what? C# is nearly identical to Java in design and performance, it just has slightly prettier syntax
  - rubber_duck 10y ago
    >C# is nearly identical to Java in design and performance One important difference that can make Java almost impossible to use in some scenarios is value types - and that's a pretty big thing when you need to control memory layouts, deal with huge arrays of small structs, etc. Other than that I agree.
  - maxxxxx 10y ago
    I had the same with Lucene a few years ago. It's really frustrating to realize that there is a ton of open source stuff out there but you can't use it because you are on C#. Or you get something outdated or buggy. I really wish MS did something to make Java/C# work together.
    - throwawaydbfif 10y ago
      It gets worse the more familiar you are with open source, because you know how bad you're missing out. All the guys that live in MS world swear they're not missing out on anything. But these are the same guys that lived in the enterprise version of North Korea until a few years ago.
      - maxxxxx 10y ago
        "enterprise version of North Korea " I like that phrase. Unfortunately it describes my life :-(
jrs235 10y ago
I was going to say the same thing. I don't think I've ever heard someone bash C#, I've only heard praises of the language. Yeah, some people prefer different languages over it but they don't say or think it's awful like [they think and say about] php.
omnibrain 10y ago
Have you ever talked with old school Delphi Devs? They speak about C# like a bride that was left at the altar speaks about her groom.

sametmax 10y ago

+1. I mostly heard good thing about C#. It's usually quoted as one of the things MS did right. The biggest rejection comes from the strong windows orientation and the restrictive licenses. Now that the situation is improving for both, you will see the language gain traction.

dpwm 10y ago
Despite the strong windows orientation, there was an era when shiny new GTK desktop apps (f-spot for photos, banshee for music) were written in C# using the Gtk# bindings.
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  I was a big fan of F-Spot, Banshee, and some of the others. The antagonism on some of the mailing lists against these Mono apps was part of my disappointment in some of the Linux community of that era. (Ubuntu moved some of these into the default distribution, got a lot of vocal minority flack from it, and removed them.)

dagurp 10y ago

I agree. My feeling is that people are generally very positive about C#. It encouraged me to start learning it.

rubber_duck 10y ago

There's a small ammount of trolls that spam "M$" kind of arguments but they are largely ignored from what I've seen. On the flip side there's a lot of people who over-represent C# especially in comparison with Java. I mean the language is very nice, better than Java no doubt - but the platform and ecosystem is much less mature than JVM. Where is the .NET equivalent of ZooKeeper, Hadoop etc. .NET can use those like any other language but the fact of the matter is that Java was and is still the choice on those kinds of projects and the ecosystem is much bigger. Even when .NET gets something from those like Akka.NET, JGit it's usually a worse copy. And JVM ecosystem is much more distributed, there's plenty of stuff going around all over - Scala feels a lot more popular in the real world than F#, Clojure feels like a similarly niche thing but is entirely community driven, and the early results from Graal/Truffle were quite impressive, much better than Microsoft did with the DLR before they left it off to community.

throwawaydbfif 10y ago
Yes this 100%. Community ecosystem is a joke on C# compared to Java. Take for example lucene. I just used version 3.03 in a C# project because the port hasn't been updated in years. Version 6.x is the current one. We also needed to use Redis in C# and the client is unstable. Nothing we can do about it besides catch the exceptions and randomly reconnect when it happens. Are we losing some data? Probably. Even if the open source community embraces C# it will take 10 years before the offerings are comparable to Java. And for what? C# is nearly identical to Java in design and performance, it just has slightly prettier syntax
- rubber_duck 10y ago
  >C# is nearly identical to Java in design and performance One important difference that can make Java almost impossible to use in some scenarios is value types - and that's a pretty big thing when you need to control memory layouts, deal with huge arrays of small structs, etc. Other than that I agree.
- maxxxxx 10y ago
  I had the same with Lucene a few years ago. It's really frustrating to realize that there is a ton of open source stuff out there but you can't use it because you are on C#. Or you get something outdated or buggy. I really wish MS did something to make Java/C# work together.
  - throwawaydbfif 10y ago
    It gets worse the more familiar you are with open source, because you know how bad you're missing out. All the guys that live in MS world swear they're not missing out on anything. But these are the same guys that lived in the enterprise version of North Korea until a few years ago.
    - maxxxxx 10y ago
      "enterprise version of North Korea " I like that phrase. Unfortunately it describes my life :-(

jrs235 10y ago

I was going to say the same thing. I don't think I've ever heard someone bash C#, I've only heard praises of the language. Yeah, some people prefer different languages over it but they don't say or think it's awful like [they think and say about] php.

omnibrain 10y ago

Have you ever talked with old school Delphi Devs? They speak about C# like a bride that was left at the altar speaks about her groom.