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Uhhh, I think you might have played a different Mass Effect 2 to everyone else - there aren't any racist terrorist groups in any Mass Effect game, unless you co

Uhhh, I think you might have played a different Mass Effect 2 to everyone else - there aren't any racist terrorist groups in any Mass Effect game, unless you count the Reapers who are kind just genocidal in general. EDIT: Cerberus is xenophobic, not racist. I am fully aware of the existence of Cerberus.

mejari 10y ago
Cerberus grew more anti-alien throughout the series.
jsiepkes 10y ago
Errrr Cerberus?
- synicalx 10y ago
  Well Cerberus isn't racist, they're xenophobic. It's like Shepherd joined the Nazi party or something.
  - sgift 10y ago
    More like "used the Nazi partys resources to do what needs to be done while all other people in the galaxy say 'what? There's a problem? Can't see it, can't hear it, go away, you bother me.'" Does it suck that you have to work with Cerberus? Yeah. Does it pose an interesting ethical dilemma? I think so. After all, the question if it's right to use the resources of people you profoundly disagree with (if you do! You can be a mankind-first person in ME after all) if you have to to stop a greater evil is far more interesting than having all the resources you want without any strings attached.
visakanv 10y ago
From the Mass Effect Wikia: > Cerberus is a human-survivalist paramilitary group led by the enigmatic Illusive Man. Cerberus' core belief is that humans deserve a greater role in the galactic community, and that the Systems Alliance is too hamstrung by law and public opinion to stand up effectively to the other Citadel races. Cerberus supports the principle that any methods of advancing humanity's ascension are entirely justified, including illegal or dangerous experimentation, terrorist activities, sabotage and assassination. Cerberus operatives accept that these methods are brutal, but believe history will vindicate them. Nevertheless, both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council have declared Cerberus to be a terrorist organization and will prosecute identified Cerberus agents accordingly.
- piaste 10y ago
  The Wikia makes a valiant attempt at forging a coherent narrative, but when you actually play the games (especially back-to-back) you can't help but notice how their characterisation swings wildly between each title: - In ME1 they're a rogue bunch of moustache-twirling villains who feed humans to thresher maws to find out exactly how much of a crunchy sound they make. You're supposed to happily shoot them on sight without the slightest care. - In ME2 they're a cynical and wealthy "the end justifies the means" organization of human patriots who trample over ethics in pursuit of a greater good, such as kidnapping kids to turn them into biotics and give humanity an edge. You're supposed to feel conflicted and hate the means they employ while recognising you do need to work with them. - In ME3 they're back to moustache-twirling, but now they're also a giant army trying to take over the entire galaxy, and worst of all they also have Kai Leng as a poster boy. You're supposed to treat them as the secondary but unambiguous villain of the story (even if in ME2 you role-played as a fellow human supremacist). In hindsight, Bioware should probably have kept the ME1 version as cannon fodder and put Martin Sheen in charge of a different, non-moustache-twirling but still ethically questionable human-first organization. What they actually ended up writing was a narrative trainwreck.
  - KON_Air 10y ago
    It can also be summed like this; (ME 1: Drew Karpyshyn) Cerberus thinks humanity has to have the techonological edge, even when it comes to crossing the ethics line, a simple "for science!" taken to the extreme. Even before you figure it out you expect a blackop like that to exist. (ME 2: Karpyshyn & Mac Walters) We need a fresh start for players who didn't play ME1, Cerberus is a little more ambigious and the overall tone darker-er, still agreeable (given aliens' and human governments do nothing about it) or at least understandable line of thinking "we can't save everyone let's focus on our kind". Weak but not horrible. (ME3: Walters) WE WERE REAPERS ALL ALONG. WE COMMON HUMANOID ENEMY NOW. ALSO MARTIN SHEEN.

mejari 10y ago

Cerberus grew more anti-alien throughout the series.

jsiepkes 10y ago

Errrr Cerberus?

synicalx 10y ago
Well Cerberus isn't racist, they're xenophobic. It's like Shepherd joined the Nazi party or something.
- sgift 10y ago
  More like "used the Nazi partys resources to do what needs to be done while all other people in the galaxy say 'what? There's a problem? Can't see it, can't hear it, go away, you bother me.'" Does it suck that you have to work with Cerberus? Yeah. Does it pose an interesting ethical dilemma? I think so. After all, the question if it's right to use the resources of people you profoundly disagree with (if you do! You can be a mankind-first person in ME after all) if you have to to stop a greater evil is far more interesting than having all the resources you want without any strings attached.

visakanv 10y ago

From the Mass Effect Wikia: > Cerberus is a human-survivalist paramilitary group led by the enigmatic Illusive Man. Cerberus' core belief is that humans deserve a greater role in the galactic community, and that the Systems Alliance is too hamstrung by law and public opinion to stand up effectively to the other Citadel races. Cerberus supports the principle that any methods of advancing humanity's ascension are entirely justified, including illegal or dangerous experimentation, terrorist activities, sabotage and assassination. Cerberus operatives accept that these methods are brutal, but believe history will vindicate them. Nevertheless, both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council have declared Cerberus to be a terrorist organization and will prosecute identified Cerberus agents accordingly.

piaste 10y ago
The Wikia makes a valiant attempt at forging a coherent narrative, but when you actually play the games (especially back-to-back) you can't help but notice how their characterisation swings wildly between each title: - In ME1 they're a rogue bunch of moustache-twirling villains who feed humans to thresher maws to find out exactly how much of a crunchy sound they make. You're supposed to happily shoot them on sight without the slightest care. - In ME2 they're a cynical and wealthy "the end justifies the means" organization of human patriots who trample over ethics in pursuit of a greater good, such as kidnapping kids to turn them into biotics and give humanity an edge. You're supposed to feel conflicted and hate the means they employ while recognising you do need to work with them. - In ME3 they're back to moustache-twirling, but now they're also a giant army trying to take over the entire galaxy, and worst of all they also have Kai Leng as a poster boy. You're supposed to treat them as the secondary but unambiguous villain of the story (even if in ME2 you role-played as a fellow human supremacist). In hindsight, Bioware should probably have kept the ME1 version as cannon fodder and put Martin Sheen in charge of a different, non-moustache-twirling but still ethically questionable human-first organization. What they actually ended up writing was a narrative trainwreck.
- KON_Air 10y ago
  It can also be summed like this; (ME 1: Drew Karpyshyn) Cerberus thinks humanity has to have the techonological edge, even when it comes to crossing the ethics line, a simple "for science!" taken to the extreme. Even before you figure it out you expect a blackop like that to exist. (ME 2: Karpyshyn & Mac Walters) We need a fresh start for players who didn't play ME1, Cerberus is a little more ambigious and the overall tone darker-er, still agreeable (given aliens' and human governments do nothing about it) or at least understandable line of thinking "we can't save everyone let's focus on our kind". Weak but not horrible. (ME3: Walters) WE WERE REAPERS ALL ALONG. WE COMMON HUMANOID ENEMY NOW. ALSO MARTIN SHEEN.