4 ms·

Not viable until they support Linux which they've put zero effort into doing even though it's been requested for years. I used to use it in Wine which was decen

by swozey 10y ago

Not viable until they support Linux which they've put zero effort into doing even though it's been requested for years. I used to use it in Wine which was decent but the Chrome extension couldn't talk to the app which makes using it a terrible UX (open app, search for pass, copy, paste, over and over). Literally the only reason I currently use OSX. A password manager... Here's the 6 year old 35 page thread if you want to throw your vote into a black hole; https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/2846/new-product-request-1password-for-linux/p1 https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/2846/new-produc... Instead they've become a SAAS Lastpass competitor which literally nobody asked for, in fact people were trying to leave LastPass due it it's forced-online nature (which naturally frightens people, having your passwords stored online somewhere).

caconym_ 10y ago
> Instead they've become a SAAS Lastpass competitor which literally nobody asked for, in fact people were trying to leave LastPass due it it's forced-online nature (which naturally frightens people, having your passwords stored online somewhere). I've used 1Password for a number of years and loved it and recommended it to friends and family, but their offering now just confuses me. I don't even know what their product is anymore, and I really need to be able to understand the attack surface of my password manager. So I've been looking into... other options.
- swozey 10y ago
  I have zero faith in 1passwords engineering/security capabilities. They've been scooting by on "just good enough" for the last 5 years. They have introduced NOTHING new to the market in that time. Someone will disrupt the market at some point and they'll be another has been because they've continuously been years behind of the market trends. I mean they literally just got into a SAAS offering and it had a hilariously botched launch; if you used their Win10 app (which you had to use to use their Family/Teams option) you COULD NOT LOAD A LOCAL PASSWORD DATABASE. For about 6 months I had to store all of my personal passwords onto my Team/Personal database because the win10 app did NOT have the ability to open a local password database. Now I've got 6 months worth of new passwords from my personal desktop stored on my work database and at some point I need to figure out a way to sync them together so I don't lose these passwords if I ever leave or so nobody else has access to them. Absolutely blew my mind. Also, like you, I paid for the full app several years ago and here I am having to pay monthly, or yearly, I don't even know to get updates. I have zero idea as to how secure their online offering is. Sorry, but this company makes me livid. If the other options weren't so terrible they'd be nothing. Them acting like it's some engineering goddamned marvel to make their app work in Linux is just a slap in the face, especially considering how many people have made third party apps that can open their database in their free time.
  - dkonofalski 10y ago
    I absolutely disagree. They have introduced all kinds of new features to the market and were the first password manager to support TouchID on the new Macs. If there's one thing that I can commend them on, it's their dedication to not making changes that might make their product less secure. And your comment about having to pay monthly or yearly is either flat-out a lie or is completely disingenuous. If you own their app, you don't have to pay at all to update it. I haven't had to pay for updates to 1Password since I purchased it like 6 or 7 years ago. If you choose to sign up for their non-app SaaS offering, then of course you pay a monthly fee. To conflate the two is either dishonest or ignorant. And no one's acting like it would be an engineering marvel. Maybe they don't simply have the demand to justify investing in a Linux app. If you don't like it, use their online service that has a Chrome extension. I don't really see what the problem is.
- dkonofalski 10y ago
  That depends on what you're looking for. Their app ecosystem is the same as it always was. They just offer additional SaaS options for team environments and for families. The only difference, really, is that the SaaS packages have an admin that can manage roles and access to passwords and divide a team/family into different groups.

by swozey 10y ago

caconym_ 10y ago

> Instead they've become a SAAS Lastpass competitor which literally nobody asked for, in fact people were trying to leave LastPass due it it's forced-online nature (which naturally frightens people, having your passwords stored online somewhere). I've used 1Password for a number of years and loved it and recommended it to friends and family, but their offering now just confuses me. I don't even know what their product is anymore, and I really need to be able to understand the attack surface of my password manager. So I've been looking into... other options.

swozey 10y ago
I have zero faith in 1passwords engineering/security capabilities. They've been scooting by on "just good enough" for the last 5 years. They have introduced NOTHING new to the market in that time. Someone will disrupt the market at some point and they'll be another has been because they've continuously been years behind of the market trends. I mean they literally just got into a SAAS offering and it had a hilariously botched launch; if you used their Win10 app (which you had to use to use their Family/Teams option) you COULD NOT LOAD A LOCAL PASSWORD DATABASE. For about 6 months I had to store all of my personal passwords onto my Team/Personal database because the win10 app did NOT have the ability to open a local password database. Now I've got 6 months worth of new passwords from my personal desktop stored on my work database and at some point I need to figure out a way to sync them together so I don't lose these passwords if I ever leave or so nobody else has access to them. Absolutely blew my mind. Also, like you, I paid for the full app several years ago and here I am having to pay monthly, or yearly, I don't even know to get updates. I have zero idea as to how secure their online offering is. Sorry, but this company makes me livid. If the other options weren't so terrible they'd be nothing. Them acting like it's some engineering goddamned marvel to make their app work in Linux is just a slap in the face, especially considering how many people have made third party apps that can open their database in their free time.
- dkonofalski 10y ago
  I absolutely disagree. They have introduced all kinds of new features to the market and were the first password manager to support TouchID on the new Macs. If there's one thing that I can commend them on, it's their dedication to not making changes that might make their product less secure. And your comment about having to pay monthly or yearly is either flat-out a lie or is completely disingenuous. If you own their app, you don't have to pay at all to update it. I haven't had to pay for updates to 1Password since I purchased it like 6 or 7 years ago. If you choose to sign up for their non-app SaaS offering, then of course you pay a monthly fee. To conflate the two is either dishonest or ignorant. And no one's acting like it would be an engineering marvel. Maybe they don't simply have the demand to justify investing in a Linux app. If you don't like it, use their online service that has a Chrome extension. I don't really see what the problem is.
dkonofalski 10y ago
That depends on what you're looking for. Their app ecosystem is the same as it always was. They just offer additional SaaS options for team environments and for families. The only difference, really, is that the SaaS packages have an admin that can manage roles and access to passwords and divide a team/family into different groups.