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To your point, Atom allows both. Don't like the UI? Just edit config.cson or whatever directly! You're not locked into it. I just find that if I have to go thr

To your point, Atom allows both. Don't like the UI? Just edit config.cson or whatever directly! You're not locked into it. I just find that if I have to go through a LOT more steps without a UI.

majkinetor 10y ago
I would rather have devs invest time in serious functionality then doing stuff like GUI. Otherwise, this quickly turns to nonsence such as Nano server image builder [1] because Microsoft is still babysitting people who CBB to spend few hours to learn Powershell basics and need a GUI that generate 1 liner script. Microsoft should definitelly rise beyond click next culture. [1] https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/nanoserver/2016/10/15/introducing-the-nano-server-image-builder/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/nanoserver/2016/10/15/in...
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Discoverability and ease of use ARE serious functionality.
  - majkinetor 10y ago
    There are different ways to discover stuff. Powershell itself clearly proves that it can be done on system level without any GUI whatsoever. We had the "ease of use" in GUI paradigm for decades and it didn't hold. Why don't you give it a chance as a text ?
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      Why do you want to limit yourself to only one way of doing things?
  - AsyncAwait 10y ago
    To be fair, the settings editor in VSCode shows all the settings possible in a split window with user settings, with neat categories and auto-completion. It's almost like a GUI setting dialog noways and makes it way easier to see what you have changed.
  - mixedCase 10y ago
    This: https://i.imgur.com/oPYr6Ch.png https://i.imgur.com/oPYr6Ch.png isn't discoverable? The comments tell you in detail how each setting works (as you can see, they are even translated), you can search for a specific setting on the top, and it's categorized as well; defaults on the left, your own on the right.
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      No, wading through a huge text file is not discoverable.
      - kupiakos 10y ago
        How would you suggest that many settings be implemented in a GUI? It'd have to break them up into groups, and it appears that's exactly what VS Code is doing.
yokohummer7 10y ago
Just curious, is Atom's UI considerate about modifying the content of a configuration file? I'm tired of programs changing the structure of it willy-nilly without even notifying the user (e.g. a click in the toolbar implicitly loads the configuration file and saves it with a different layout). Is Atom OK with this?
- etatoby 10y ago
  This is a problem with Sublime Text too. Don't bother putting comments in your settings file, or rearranging its contents. One hit of Ctrl-minus, even by accident, and your config file is wiped out and replaced with an auto-generated one, which incidentally contains your updated font size. You're welcome.

To your point, Atom allows both. Don't like the UI? Just edit config.cson or whatever directly! You're not locked into it. I just find that if I have to go through a LOT more steps without a UI.

majkinetor 10y ago

I would rather have devs invest time in serious functionality then doing stuff like GUI. Otherwise, this quickly turns to nonsence such as Nano server image builder [1] because Microsoft is still babysitting people who CBB to spend few hours to learn Powershell basics and need a GUI that generate 1 liner script. Microsoft should definitelly rise beyond click next culture. [1] https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/nanoserver/2016/10/15/introducing-the-nano-server-image-builder/ https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/nanoserver/2016/10/15/in...

st3v3r 10y ago
Discoverability and ease of use ARE serious functionality.
- majkinetor 10y ago
  There are different ways to discover stuff. Powershell itself clearly proves that it can be done on system level without any GUI whatsoever. We had the "ease of use" in GUI paradigm for decades and it didn't hold. Why don't you give it a chance as a text ?
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    Why do you want to limit yourself to only one way of doing things?
- AsyncAwait 10y ago
  To be fair, the settings editor in VSCode shows all the settings possible in a split window with user settings, with neat categories and auto-completion. It's almost like a GUI setting dialog noways and makes it way easier to see what you have changed.
- mixedCase 10y ago
  This: https://i.imgur.com/oPYr6Ch.png https://i.imgur.com/oPYr6Ch.png isn't discoverable? The comments tell you in detail how each setting works (as you can see, they are even translated), you can search for a specific setting on the top, and it's categorized as well; defaults on the left, your own on the right.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    No, wading through a huge text file is not discoverable.
    - kupiakos 10y ago
      How would you suggest that many settings be implemented in a GUI? It'd have to break them up into groups, and it appears that's exactly what VS Code is doing.

yokohummer7 10y ago

Just curious, is Atom's UI considerate about modifying the content of a configuration file? I'm tired of programs changing the structure of it willy-nilly without even notifying the user (e.g. a click in the toolbar implicitly loads the configuration file and saves it with a different layout). Is Atom OK with this?

etatoby 10y ago
This is a problem with Sublime Text too. Don't bother putting comments in your settings file, or rearranging its contents. One hit of Ctrl-minus, even by accident, and your config file is wiped out and replaced with an auto-generated one, which incidentally contains your updated font size. You're welcome.