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That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards shou
by general_ai 10y ago
That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.
- Alex3917 10y agoRegardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.
- vkou 10y agoMilo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so. There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.
- Moshe_Silnorin 10y agoHe does at public universities.
- vkou 10y agoNo, he doesn't. Universities are free to choose who they will invite to speak. He is using campus facilities - specifically, lecture halls for his rally. They have the right to refuse. If he held his rally on the lawn, that would be a different story.
- Alex3917 10y agoYou're missing the point though. They're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape. And yet they weren't throwing rocks at Bernie because his followers referred to black people as low-information voters. Nor were they protesting Hillary because her followers referred to Obama as a boy. Do you really not see the double standard?
- vkou 10y ago> They're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape. There's a million reasons to protest this guy. You're missing the forest through the trees, by focusing on only one (That you consider absurd or hypocritical). Bernie Sanders also didn't speak out in support of a muslim ban, or building a wall, or deporting millions of people... But Milo sure did.
- dagw 10y agoThey're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape. Do you seriously, honestly believe that that is only or even primary reason people might have for protesting Milo?
- Alex3917 10y ago> Do you seriously, honestly believe that that is only or even primary reason people might have for protesting Milo? Yes. The reason most people are giving for protesting him is that he's racist, and the fact that one of his followers called Leslie Jones an ape is always cited as the reason for why he's racist. If you don't believe me, look at the reasons the ADL gives for why he's racist: http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/milo-yiannopoulos-five.html#.WJN0MhiZOLI http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrori...
- neaden 10y agoHow about when he publicly doxxed and insulted a transgender student at UW-Milwaukee as another reason to protest him among many many other valid reasons? http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yiannopoulos-harassed-a-trans-student-at-uw-milwaukee.html http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yiannopoulos-harassed-a...
- williamgb 10y agoHe was holding a rally?
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- whitneyrzoller 10y agoThat's a pretty broad brush. I attended Cal and observed a sizable Anarchist population in Berkeley and Oakland that actually had nothing to do with the University. Were some of the rioters from Cal? Probably. I suspect the vast majority were not. At least at the University level it seems like free speech was an important factor for deciding to allow hosting somebody with such an incendiary message. Here's the chancellor's statement: http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/01/26/chancellor-statement-on-yiannopoulos/ http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/01/26/chancellor-statement-on-...
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- simonh 10y agoI don't think it's fair to blame 'liberals'. The University which expressed differences with the invitee's beliefs but invited him to speak, struggled to create a safe environment but ultimately was unable to do so, yes. They could be described as liberals. But violent protest is pretty much by definition an illiberal activity. For example, would you describe the Black Panthers liberals? Personally I wouldn't. They may share some objectives with liberals - equal treatment of a minority - but methods matter. I would no more call those rioters liberals than I'd call white supremacists 'conservatives'.
- jamesmp98 10y ago> I would no more call those rioters liberals than I'd call white supremacists 'conservatives'. Unfortunately, most of the rest of the country thinks otherwise.
- general_ai 10y agoAs far as I can tell from available news, no one "struggled" worth a damn to create a safe environment. In fact the opposite seems to be true: police was ordered to stand down, inviting the situation to get out of control.
- charonn0 10y agoThe real question is whether President Trump's threats are justifiable, but I'd settle for understanding how you justify your criticism of an entire bloc.
- psyc 10y agoDoublespeak works wonders. "No-platforming" and "The Paradox of Tolerance" are very hot topics of discussion among young leftists right now.