4 ms·

"Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giving it any attention." It gets a major update every year?

by HalfwayToDice 10y ago

shmerl 10y ago
> It gets a major update every year? Yeah, so where is OpenGL 4.5?
- tomovo 10y ago
  Exactly. It's a shame Apple didn't adopt Vulkan and went with their own proprietary Metal API. Yet another reason for game developers to keep ignoring the platform.
  - shmerl 10y ago
    Yeah. A recent example: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/an-interview-with-simon-roth-the-developer-of-space-colony-simulator-maia.9026 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/an-interview-with-sim... > There have been some issues, specifically around certain drivers, issues with Mesa and Intel hardware. I’m hoping all of those are behind us and will remain so. Unlike a lot of other communities, Linux users are quite aware of a lot of the issues with their platform and will usually be OK to wait for an update to fix their issues. This is opposed to OSX where the updates break things horribly. The support for the OpenGL standard in their drivers has been lacklustre for years and it's only getting worse. They now want developers to move to their proprietary API Metal, but I'm jaded enough not to fall for that. And don't even get me started on having to shell out £3000 for a mid spec dev machine.
  - Lio 10y ago
    It would be nice if Apple even supported their own OpenCL drivers so that I could get semi-decent performance out of Blender without getting an Nvidea eGPU.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
  It was a bad decision to continue with Metal instead of updating OpenGL, but the operating system is not neglected. One example of a feature you personally want (that I do too) does not constitute neglect. It gets regular updates.
  - shmerl 10y ago
    Not sure how else you can spin it, but not updating graphics drivers for years IS neglect. It shows a complete lack of care, since they easily could fix this. Or may be you are implying it's an intentional act of letting it rot to force developers to use Metal and such? That would be actually even worse, and I'd say should encourage both developers and users to ditch Apple even sooner. Case in point, I've heard several times how people were saying, they are ditching MacOS, because Wine developers aren't going to support DX11 games there, courtesy of Apple not updating OpenGL.
  - computerex 10y ago
    OpenGL is kind of.. big, it's not like they can support DirectX. Gaming is big, people want to use their expensive machines to play games.
gpvos 10y ago
With which desirable features?
- Godel_unicode 10y ago
  Something something iPhone integration.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
  Your subjective "desirable" qualifier leaves it open for you to no-true-Scotsman away any response as "not desirable", but I can show you several. Sierra brought tabbed applications and a bunch of other end-user features [1]. As for the more technically minded, there's a new filesystem coming this year [2]. I won't defend Apple's treatment of Mac hardware recently, but the software itself does get regular updates for security, performance, and features, regardless of how one subjectively feels about them. Personally I think it's a rather visually ugly operating system and has weird quirks like awful keyboard shortcuts, and I'm mad that they removed a feature (the battery time remaining) but generally functions well for my specific use case. [1] http://au.pcmag.com/macintosh-os-x/43679/feature/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-macos-sierra http://au.pcmag.com/macintosh-os-x/43679/feature/10-things-y... [2] http://www.cultofmac.com/435718/apfs-new-apple-file-system/ http://www.cultofmac.com/435718/apfs-new-apple-file-system/

"Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giving it any attention." It gets a major update every year?

shmerl 10y ago

> It gets a major update every year? Yeah, so where is OpenGL 4.5?

tomovo 10y ago
Exactly. It's a shame Apple didn't adopt Vulkan and went with their own proprietary Metal API. Yet another reason for game developers to keep ignoring the platform.
- shmerl 10y ago
  Yeah. A recent example: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/an-interview-with-simon-roth-the-developer-of-space-colony-simulator-maia.9026 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/an-interview-with-sim... > There have been some issues, specifically around certain drivers, issues with Mesa and Intel hardware. I’m hoping all of those are behind us and will remain so. Unlike a lot of other communities, Linux users are quite aware of a lot of the issues with their platform and will usually be OK to wait for an update to fix their issues. This is opposed to OSX where the updates break things horribly. The support for the OpenGL standard in their drivers has been lacklustre for years and it's only getting worse. They now want developers to move to their proprietary API Metal, but I'm jaded enough not to fall for that. And don't even get me started on having to shell out £3000 for a mid spec dev machine.
- Lio 10y ago
  It would be nice if Apple even supported their own OpenCL drivers so that I could get semi-decent performance out of Blender without getting an Nvidea eGPU.
ClassyJacket 10y ago
It was a bad decision to continue with Metal instead of updating OpenGL, but the operating system is not neglected. One example of a feature you personally want (that I do too) does not constitute neglect. It gets regular updates.
- shmerl 10y ago
  Not sure how else you can spin it, but not updating graphics drivers for years IS neglect. It shows a complete lack of care, since they easily could fix this. Or may be you are implying it's an intentional act of letting it rot to force developers to use Metal and such? That would be actually even worse, and I'd say should encourage both developers and users to ditch Apple even sooner. Case in point, I've heard several times how people were saying, they are ditching MacOS, because Wine developers aren't going to support DX11 games there, courtesy of Apple not updating OpenGL.
- computerex 10y ago
  OpenGL is kind of.. big, it's not like they can support DirectX. Gaming is big, people want to use their expensive machines to play games.

gpvos 10y ago

With which desirable features?

Godel_unicode 10y ago
Something something iPhone integration.
ClassyJacket 10y ago
Your subjective "desirable" qualifier leaves it open for you to no-true-Scotsman away any response as "not desirable", but I can show you several. Sierra brought tabbed applications and a bunch of other end-user features [1]. As for the more technically minded, there's a new filesystem coming this year [2]. I won't defend Apple's treatment of Mac hardware recently, but the software itself does get regular updates for security, performance, and features, regardless of how one subjectively feels about them. Personally I think it's a rather visually ugly operating system and has weird quirks like awful keyboard shortcuts, and I'm mad that they removed a feature (the battery time remaining) but generally functions well for my specific use case. [1] http://au.pcmag.com/macintosh-os-x/43679/feature/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-macos-sierra http://au.pcmag.com/macintosh-os-x/43679/feature/10-things-y... [2] http://www.cultofmac.com/435718/apfs-new-apple-file-system/ http://www.cultofmac.com/435718/apfs-new-apple-file-system/