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No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color

by frik 10y ago

No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color blind designers with a bad taste the brutalism of UI design plus the phone-home spyware features that cannot be deactivated. Windows 7 is too good and the perfect OS, if you don't install some recent spyware updates it will last at least until 2020 - and who knows if Android/Fuchsia or whatever OS is a proper alternative than.

Arizhel 10y ago
Look, I don't like the flat-UI trend any more than you, but there's two simple facts here: 1) It's not just MS pushing the flat-UI trend. Apple and Google are too, along with every other Web/UI designer out there. Everyone's doing it. MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks. 2) The users you seem concerned about like this stuff. They're all buying and using Windows, along with Macs, iOS, Android, etc. devices. There's simply no serious effort being put into any UI alternatives. There's some stuff going on in Linux-land that has a minuscule marketshare, but that's about it; even there, the most popular desktop is Gnome3, which is on the same bandwagon in many ways.
- corin_ 10y ago
  Your second point doesn't really hold up - I'm a Windows 10 user, and I don't spend any time even considering Linux UI alternatives because you could show me one that I liked twice as much as Windows and I still wouldn't want to use Linux for my day to day stuff. I actually don't mind the Windows 10 UI as it happens, but if there were the variety of options for Windows that there are for Linux, I'd certainly see if I could find one I liked more.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    If people actually cared about it that much, at the very least there'd be some 3rd-party program available for Windows that would improve the UI, and it'd be selling like hotcakes. I've never heard of any. Same goes for MacOS, iOS, and Android.
    - rocqua 10y ago
      I think the windows 10 platform doesn't lend itself very well to 3rd party UIs. It's quite closely coupled to the actual OS. In a sense though, this is what I consider to be the strength of the windows UI. With the tight coupling, you can make guarantees on the UI covering all possible configuration options. At the same time, it allows a fixed standard of how to implement configuration. (Some of this comes from windows being monolithic) The end result is a 'unified' UI where there are user-friendly ways to configure a system. Most notably, it is a lot easier to 'explore' the configuration options of windows as opposed to any linux distro.
    - badsectoracula 10y ago
      How about WindowBlinds? http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/ http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/
      - Arizhel 10y ago
        This is the first I've heard of it. Just like I said before, if the Windows UI were really that hated and unpopular, this thing would be common knowledge and selling like hotcakes. It isn't. Maybe the word just hasn't gotten out enough, but I doubt it. I do have to say, $9.99 is a pretty good price for this. But this again reinforces my point: if people really hated the Win10 UI that much, a $10 purchase should be nothing to fix it. Also, I only looked over the link cursorily, but does this fix the whole Metro interface? That's my big complaint with Win10; when you're on the regular desktop, it isn't much different from Win7. It's when you want to load a new program, or use the Settings, or stuff like that you suddenly find yourself in the purple hell that is the Metro UI. If this Windowblinds program is only letting you skin the desktop stuff and not changing the whole start menu, then it's not really fixing the problem, just making the crappy, clunky Win7 desktop more pleasant to use.
        badsectoracula 10y ago
        WindowBlinds is a very old program - consider it started on OS/2. It used to be very popular back in 90s and 2000s, but its popularity have dropped the last few years. Still, if you find any alternative Windows theme on places like DeviantArt chances are it is made for WindowBlinds. It isn't wildly popular, but it isn't unknown either.
  - eikenberry 10y ago
    She wasn't implying you should switch to Linux to get the UI alternatives available there. She was saying that there is nobody working on UI alternatives/innovations except for a few people in the Linux space. That everyone had settled on the same basic UI.
    - corin_ 10y ago
      She was saying that the alternative UIs aren't popular, and my point is that their low market share is down not only to the UIs themselves but also because of the software they are compatible with.
      - chris_wot 10y ago
        Virtually all software that runs on Windows can be run on Linux via WINE. Often better.
- bhauer 10y ago
  > MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks. For whatever it's worth, Windows 10 is one of my favorite looking user interfaces, especially with its dark theme. I am not sure why so many mainstream operating systems do not offer viable dark themes.
HeavenBanned 10y ago
I cannot install Windows 7 on my Macbook Air via a dual-boot because Apple stopped supporting drivers, so I had to default to Windows 10. However, I averted all of the oft-complained about issues of Windows 10 by specifically installing the Win. 10 LTSB (N) version. Some perks to note of: * No bloatware * Updates every 60-90 days (as opposed to the oppressive every 5-7 days); choice to reboot auto or not. * No Windows Media Player * No MSFT Edge; Only Windows Explorer classic * Classic calculator * No Windows App Store * No background apps * No upselling shenanigans annoying my experience * No MSFT cloud * Cortana is removed completely not disabled * Mission-critical updates only...avoids needless flair in favor of stable security. All in all, I would highly recommend it.
happypants23 10y ago
I rather like the clean aesthetic of Windows 10, and am now using it as my main OS. Sure, it's by no means perfect, and there is still work to be done. But by and large I am happier with Windows 10 than with MacOS, Ubuntu, GNOME, and so on. Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined. Me - I would gladly give Microsoft my data to they can prioritize features for windows 10.
- jasonkostempski 10y ago
  "At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined." Where is that option? Also, it's easy to get a browser that doesn't phone home and a plugin that stops websites from doing it.
  - RileyKyeden 10y ago
    Feedback privacy, found with the search in the settings thing.
  - lineindc 10y ago
    The Group Policy Editor lets you disable telemetry.
    - Karunamon 10y ago
      ..if you're on an Enterprise SKU. Maybe.
      - lineindc 10y ago
        No. I have Pro and I can do it. And I think you can download the Group Policy Editor in other versions of Windows, and even if you can't, you can modify the pertinent registry keys.
- edoceo 10y ago
  They've already demonstrated they won't use this to build features you want.
becarefulyo 10y ago
http://www.windowscentral.com/new-design-language-windows-10-project-neon http://www.windowscentral.com/new-design-language-windows-10... Design language is getting an update.
computerex 10y ago
Not sure if serious or trolling.

by frik 10y ago

Arizhel 10y ago

Look, I don't like the flat-UI trend any more than you, but there's two simple facts here: 1) It's not just MS pushing the flat-UI trend. Apple and Google are too, along with every other Web/UI designer out there. Everyone's doing it. MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks. 2) The users you seem concerned about like this stuff. They're all buying and using Windows, along with Macs, iOS, Android, etc. devices. There's simply no serious effort being put into any UI alternatives. There's some stuff going on in Linux-land that has a minuscule marketshare, but that's about it; even there, the most popular desktop is Gnome3, which is on the same bandwagon in many ways.

corin_ 10y ago
Your second point doesn't really hold up - I'm a Windows 10 user, and I don't spend any time even considering Linux UI alternatives because you could show me one that I liked twice as much as Windows and I still wouldn't want to use Linux for my day to day stuff. I actually don't mind the Windows 10 UI as it happens, but if there were the variety of options for Windows that there are for Linux, I'd certainly see if I could find one I liked more.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  If people actually cared about it that much, at the very least there'd be some 3rd-party program available for Windows that would improve the UI, and it'd be selling like hotcakes. I've never heard of any. Same goes for MacOS, iOS, and Android.
  - rocqua 10y ago
    I think the windows 10 platform doesn't lend itself very well to 3rd party UIs. It's quite closely coupled to the actual OS. In a sense though, this is what I consider to be the strength of the windows UI. With the tight coupling, you can make guarantees on the UI covering all possible configuration options. At the same time, it allows a fixed standard of how to implement configuration. (Some of this comes from windows being monolithic) The end result is a 'unified' UI where there are user-friendly ways to configure a system. Most notably, it is a lot easier to 'explore' the configuration options of windows as opposed to any linux distro.
  - badsectoracula 10y ago
    How about WindowBlinds? http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/ http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/
    - Arizhel 10y ago
      This is the first I've heard of it. Just like I said before, if the Windows UI were really that hated and unpopular, this thing would be common knowledge and selling like hotcakes. It isn't. Maybe the word just hasn't gotten out enough, but I doubt it. I do have to say, $9.99 is a pretty good price for this. But this again reinforces my point: if people really hated the Win10 UI that much, a $10 purchase should be nothing to fix it. Also, I only looked over the link cursorily, but does this fix the whole Metro interface? That's my big complaint with Win10; when you're on the regular desktop, it isn't much different from Win7. It's when you want to load a new program, or use the Settings, or stuff like that you suddenly find yourself in the purple hell that is the Metro UI. If this Windowblinds program is only letting you skin the desktop stuff and not changing the whole start menu, then it's not really fixing the problem, just making the crappy, clunky Win7 desktop more pleasant to use.
      - badsectoracula 10y ago
        WindowBlinds is a very old program - consider it started on OS/2. It used to be very popular back in 90s and 2000s, but its popularity have dropped the last few years. Still, if you find any alternative Windows theme on places like DeviantArt chances are it is made for WindowBlinds. It isn't wildly popular, but it isn't unknown either.
- eikenberry 10y ago
  She wasn't implying you should switch to Linux to get the UI alternatives available there. She was saying that there is nobody working on UI alternatives/innovations except for a few people in the Linux space. That everyone had settled on the same basic UI.
  - corin_ 10y ago
    She was saying that the alternative UIs aren't popular, and my point is that their low market share is down not only to the UIs themselves but also because of the software they are compatible with.
    - chris_wot 10y ago
      Virtually all software that runs on Windows can be run on Linux via WINE. Often better.
bhauer 10y ago
> MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks. For whatever it's worth, Windows 10 is one of my favorite looking user interfaces, especially with its dark theme. I am not sure why so many mainstream operating systems do not offer viable dark themes.

HeavenBanned 10y ago

I cannot install Windows 7 on my Macbook Air via a dual-boot because Apple stopped supporting drivers, so I had to default to Windows 10. However, I averted all of the oft-complained about issues of Windows 10 by specifically installing the Win. 10 LTSB (N) version. Some perks to note of: * No bloatware * Updates every 60-90 days (as opposed to the oppressive every 5-7 days); choice to reboot auto or not. * No Windows Media Player * No MSFT Edge; Only Windows Explorer classic * Classic calculator * No Windows App Store * No background apps * No upselling shenanigans annoying my experience * No MSFT cloud * Cortana is removed completely not disabled * Mission-critical updates only...avoids needless flair in favor of stable security. All in all, I would highly recommend it.

happypants23 10y ago

I rather like the clean aesthetic of Windows 10, and am now using it as my main OS. Sure, it's by no means perfect, and there is still work to be done. But by and large I am happier with Windows 10 than with MacOS, Ubuntu, GNOME, and so on. Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined. Me - I would gladly give Microsoft my data to they can prioritize features for windows 10.

jasonkostempski 10y ago
"At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined." Where is that option? Also, it's easy to get a browser that doesn't phone home and a plugin that stops websites from doing it.
- RileyKyeden 10y ago
  Feedback privacy, found with the search in the settings thing.
- lineindc 10y ago
  The Group Policy Editor lets you disable telemetry.
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    ..if you're on an Enterprise SKU. Maybe.
    - lineindc 10y ago
      No. I have Pro and I can do it. And I think you can download the Group Policy Editor in other versions of Windows, and even if you can't, you can modify the pertinent registry keys.
edoceo 10y ago
They've already demonstrated they won't use this to build features you want.

becarefulyo 10y ago

http://www.windowscentral.com/new-design-language-windows-10-project-neon http://www.windowscentral.com/new-design-language-windows-10... Design language is getting an update.

computerex 10y ago

Not sure if serious or trolling.