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It's hardly clear that folks would object. Obama is actually the one who came up with the list of 7 countries and authorized this in the Terrorist Travel Preven

It's hardly clear that folks would object. Obama is actually the one who came up with the list of 7 countries and authorized this in the Terrorist Travel Prevention act of 2015. It's unclear that this list can be expanded on a whim. https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/ https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-m... Obama did something similar in 2012 to little protest. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/03/iraqi-refugees-siv-obama/1#.WJNdc8tOnJB http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/03... Again, I'm against this. But this is hardly unprecedented or shocking - the only shocking thing is that one of our cultural enemies won a popularity contest and then did this.

jacquesm 10y ago
The hijacking of the GOP will be studied for a long long time in political circles and universities. I can only imagine the calculus going on in the conservative party at the moment, it must be something along the lines of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', when the music stops playing it will get ugly.
some_guy_there 10y ago
The authority asserted by President Trump in the executive order does not arise from the TTPA. It derives from INA (viz. 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) ). The fact that this order uses the country listed in TTPA does not negate the fact that the executive has asserted the authority to negate already existing visa from any country that they wish to. (Well technically they still have the visa, but what use is it if there is a blanket ban.) In particular, nothing in TTPA barred entry to people who have helped American armed forces, or legally enrolled students from those country, which this order does. Again, not by authority of TTPA, but under INA. Taking the executive order at face value, the executive can ban any and all countries. The fact that they used the list from TTPA is political convenience.

jacquesm 10y ago

The hijacking of the GOP will be studied for a long long time in political circles and universities. I can only imagine the calculus going on in the conservative party at the moment, it must be something along the lines of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't', when the music stops playing it will get ugly.

some_guy_there 10y ago

The authority asserted by President Trump in the executive order does not arise from the TTPA. It derives from INA (viz. 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) ). The fact that this order uses the country listed in TTPA does not negate the fact that the executive has asserted the authority to negate already existing visa from any country that they wish to. (Well technically they still have the visa, but what use is it if there is a blanket ban.) In particular, nothing in TTPA barred entry to people who have helped American armed forces, or legally enrolled students from those country, which this order does. Again, not by authority of TTPA, but under INA. Taking the executive order at face value, the executive can ban any and all countries. The fact that they used the list from TTPA is political convenience.