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No Thanks! Given the never ending list of revelations Redhat's deep ties to the US security industry and the NSA are problematic. Why should anyone not already

by throw2016 10y ago

No Thanks! Given the never ending list of revelations Redhat's deep ties to the US security industry and the NSA are problematic. Why should anyone not already a part of the government security industry trust selinux? By not coming out openly and explicitly criticizing the US security services for their anti constitutional and blatant authoritarianism Redhat has demonstrated which side it is on. It has no qualms enabling and supporting this behavior and is not a principled member of the free software movement. Something for which it has yet to be held to account. Given the movement against Trump is exactly against this kind of authoritarianism the lack of scrutiny of tech companies like Redhat, Palantir and others is hypocritical. By not speaking out you are supporting these actions. The fact that it is an absolute pain to configure and representative of a user hostile software model makes it that much more easy to avoid even for those with more practical considerations.

lima 10y ago
SELinux is the least likely part of the kernel to contain a NSA backdoor :-)
- digler999 10y ago
  there was that one program..."system-something"....system-A ? was it ? or system-B ? or , hmm. "system-C". something like that, just...might have a vulnerability or two ?
  - lima 10y ago
    Or literally any other part of the stack.
drvdevd 10y ago
It's important to understand that SELinux has ceased to be a pure-NSA development for a long time. For that matter, it has spread far beyond RedHat as well. Anyway, though I get the sentiment, SELinux is a great example of leveraging OSS regardless of whether you agree with the creators or not politically. That's a win for OSS in general because it means we don't have to like (or maybe even trust) each other to benefit mutually across the net. The best arguments against SELinux are purely technical because there are alternative ideas about how such a system could be implemented (see: App Armor for example).

lima 10y ago

SELinux is the least likely part of the kernel to contain a NSA backdoor :-)

digler999 10y ago
there was that one program..."system-something"....system-A ? was it ? or system-B ? or , hmm. "system-C". something like that, just...might have a vulnerability or two ?
- lima 10y ago
  Or literally any other part of the stack.

drvdevd 10y ago

It's important to understand that SELinux has ceased to be a pure-NSA development for a long time. For that matter, it has spread far beyond RedHat as well. Anyway, though I get the sentiment, SELinux is a great example of leveraging OSS regardless of whether you agree with the creators or not politically. That's a win for OSS in general because it means we don't have to like (or maybe even trust) each other to benefit mutually across the net. The best arguments against SELinux are purely technical because there are alternative ideas about how such a system could be implemented (see: App Armor for example).