>If I understand those 2 correctly, I'm no longer arguing that the data doesn't agree with that. I think we're close to being on the same page. About your obje

>If I understand those 2 correctly, I'm no longer arguing that the data doesn't agree with that. I think we're close to being on the same page. About your objection, my argument actually does not really revolve around the idea that there is some correlation b/w city vs state rates. I'm just looking at the statistics themselves. The fact is there are several cities in the USA that have higher murder rates than any country in Africa or the Middle East. So if you were randomly placed somewhere at random b/w several US cities and vs Africa or the Middle East, you would live in an area with less murders choosing a place at random in Africa or the Middle East.