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Probably financial reasons due to an increased of cost living.

vkou 10y ago
The cost of living a subsistence lifestyle is very low. Land in the middle of nowhere is cheap, and property taxes are almost non-existant, you don't need to pay 25% of the turnips you grow to the state as an income tax, and gasoline is very cheap in the US. There's that whole big-corporation medical care business, but if you're willing to forego it, the dream can be yours - for much less then the cost of a small suburban home.
- throwanem 10y ago
  > The cost of living a subsistence lifestyle is very low. As with Linux, this is only true if your time has no value.
  - mlonkibjuyhv 10y ago
    Yes, you have to set that to zero or infinity, depending on whether you're a half full or empty kind of guy.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  >Land in the middle of nowhere is cheap, and property taxes are almost non-existant Housing is not cheap, no matter where you go in the US. Sure, the land it sits on may be cheaper in some places, but the cost of building materials is the same everywhere, and houses have to be built to code, and old houses that aren't maintained well enough get condemned so you're not allowed to live in them. Of course, you can always just get an old trailer home or something. >and gasoline is very cheap in the US. Yes, and distances are far when you're talking about living in "the middle of nowhere", and if you have an old vehicle, it's probably going to have terribly fuel economy, so you're still looking at a significant fuel bill just to get to the grocery store. No, you're not going to succeed in getting yourself a proper diet with your home garden. And you still need some kind of income to buy that land and whatever structure you live in, and that gas for your car/truck. >There's that whole big-corporation medical care business, but if you're willing to forego it, That's not allowed unless the ACA is repealed. Of course, with a low enough income, you might qualify for Medicaid, but that really depends. I believe a lot of states won't allow you to enroll if you're an adult, saying you should just get a job.
  - vkou 10y ago
    Most of the cost of housing is in labor, not building materials. And, as you said, there's always the trailer. It'll be cold in the winter, though. My parents do part-time homesteading (My father works - he will retire in a few years) - and they only need to go into town once a month for staples - supplemental chicken feed, milk, fertilizer, etc. Fuel economy isn't that big a deal. The ACA tax is based on your income. If you have no income, the tax is tiny. No, of course you can't start all that having nothing. However, most of the posters on HN are more then able to save up to afford this life.
    - Arizhel 10y ago
      The other problem you're missing is what happens when you have health problems? No health insurance means you're screwed as soon as you have any kind of problem at all.
      - vkou 10y ago
        erikpukinskis - the great-grand-parent of my post was talking about dropping out of the rat race that is modern life, which presumably means that you are OK with not having access to a $400,000 treatment plan should you get lung cancer. You can't really have it both ways, though.

vkou 10y ago

The cost of living a subsistence lifestyle is very low. Land in the middle of nowhere is cheap, and property taxes are almost non-existant, you don't need to pay 25% of the turnips you grow to the state as an income tax, and gasoline is very cheap in the US. There's that whole big-corporation medical care business, but if you're willing to forego it, the dream can be yours - for much less then the cost of a small suburban home.

throwanem 10y ago
> The cost of living a subsistence lifestyle is very low. As with Linux, this is only true if your time has no value.
- mlonkibjuyhv 10y ago
  Yes, you have to set that to zero or infinity, depending on whether you're a half full or empty kind of guy.
Arizhel 10y ago
>Land in the middle of nowhere is cheap, and property taxes are almost non-existant Housing is not cheap, no matter where you go in the US. Sure, the land it sits on may be cheaper in some places, but the cost of building materials is the same everywhere, and houses have to be built to code, and old houses that aren't maintained well enough get condemned so you're not allowed to live in them. Of course, you can always just get an old trailer home or something. >and gasoline is very cheap in the US. Yes, and distances are far when you're talking about living in "the middle of nowhere", and if you have an old vehicle, it's probably going to have terribly fuel economy, so you're still looking at a significant fuel bill just to get to the grocery store. No, you're not going to succeed in getting yourself a proper diet with your home garden. And you still need some kind of income to buy that land and whatever structure you live in, and that gas for your car/truck. >There's that whole big-corporation medical care business, but if you're willing to forego it, That's not allowed unless the ACA is repealed. Of course, with a low enough income, you might qualify for Medicaid, but that really depends. I believe a lot of states won't allow you to enroll if you're an adult, saying you should just get a job.
- vkou 10y ago
  Most of the cost of housing is in labor, not building materials. And, as you said, there's always the trailer. It'll be cold in the winter, though. My parents do part-time homesteading (My father works - he will retire in a few years) - and they only need to go into town once a month for staples - supplemental chicken feed, milk, fertilizer, etc. Fuel economy isn't that big a deal. The ACA tax is based on your income. If you have no income, the tax is tiny. No, of course you can't start all that having nothing. However, most of the posters on HN are more then able to save up to afford this life.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    The other problem you're missing is what happens when you have health problems? No health insurance means you're screwed as soon as you have any kind of problem at all.
    - vkou 10y ago
      erikpukinskis - the great-grand-parent of my post was talking about dropping out of the rat race that is modern life, which presumably means that you are OK with not having access to a $400,000 treatment plan should you get lung cancer. You can't really have it both ways, though.