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I actually believe the exact opposite. That so many useful innovations are lost & forgotten, because there was no incentive to market & distribute the innovati

by pasiaj 10y ago

I actually believe the exact opposite. That so many useful innovations are lost & forgotten, because there was no incentive to market & distribute the innovation. It is lost on many, that the usefulness of an idea does not guarantee it's popularity. It is very, very hard to get visibility & traction for even the most useful of inventions. Protections on ownership & wealth create the incentives to invest in creating new innovations, but also to productise, distribute and market those innovations. It is only a small fraction of products that can exist without the proper incentives to build out the whole chain from idea to r&d, productisation, to distribution & marketing.

ajamesm 10y ago
Run the Jewels just released their latest album entirely for free, and hit #1 in sales anyway, so
- Groxx 10y ago
  That a counterexample exists doesn't really impact the claim that "many" (though they imply "most" imo) do not work this way.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Indeed: Not everybody is the kind of person who pays for Jonathan Coulton's music instead of downloading it for free.
- eon1 10y ago
  RTJ also have an established brand - I can tell you 100% I only know of them because of their previous marketing, I've maybe heard one song. It's like how Radiohead did a pay-what-you-like for their album and it came out being viable, it only works because of their previous commercial success through more traditional routes. If they'd self-produced and made Pablo Honey PWYL they'd probably be unheard of.
oddstorms 10y ago
>I believe the exact opposite There's no belief system here. You are confused by propaganda. What you think is factually wrong and just about any example in history quickly proves this. No matter which example we consider, it contradicts what you wrote exactly.
khedoros1 10y ago
I believe somewhere in between. The usefulness of an idea doesn't guarantee its popularity, but it also doesn't guarantee its profitability, or the timeline where it will become popular or profitable.
jedikv 10y ago
The fashion industry seems to do fine with relatively little draconian protections - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2FOrx41N0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2FOrx41N0
- jasonkostempski 10y ago
  But they're not doing anything useful, just taking advantage of human nature.

by pasiaj 10y ago

ajamesm 10y ago

Run the Jewels just released their latest album entirely for free, and hit #1 in sales anyway, so

Groxx 10y ago
That a counterexample exists doesn't really impact the claim that "many" (though they imply "most" imo) do not work this way.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Indeed: Not everybody is the kind of person who pays for Jonathan Coulton's music instead of downloading it for free.
eon1 10y ago
RTJ also have an established brand - I can tell you 100% I only know of them because of their previous marketing, I've maybe heard one song. It's like how Radiohead did a pay-what-you-like for their album and it came out being viable, it only works because of their previous commercial success through more traditional routes. If they'd self-produced and made Pablo Honey PWYL they'd probably be unheard of.

oddstorms 10y ago

>I believe the exact opposite There's no belief system here. You are confused by propaganda. What you think is factually wrong and just about any example in history quickly proves this. No matter which example we consider, it contradicts what you wrote exactly.

khedoros1 10y ago

I believe somewhere in between. The usefulness of an idea doesn't guarantee its popularity, but it also doesn't guarantee its profitability, or the timeline where it will become popular or profitable.

jedikv 10y ago

The fashion industry seems to do fine with relatively little draconian protections - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2FOrx41N0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2FOrx41N0

jasonkostempski 10y ago
But they're not doing anything useful, just taking advantage of human nature.