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> Consider this: Why are Hitler and Mussolini fascists, but not all dictators are fascists? That's the definition of fascism. Now please tell me how that doesn'

> Consider this: Why are Hitler and Mussolini fascists, but not all dictators are fascists? That's the definition of fascism. Now please tell me how that doesn't fit the definition of the government Trump wants? Here's what I can think of: Hitler and Mussolini wanted to create a "New Man", unlike Hussein, Assad, and... Trump. Trump isn't even a dictator yet, and may never become one. The biggest charge you can make against him is that he's pro-oligarchy, and empowers nefarious radical grassroots movements on the right. It may get a lot worse, but we're not there yet, not even close. The real problem is in public opinion, i.e. how to convince people on the right to care more about facts, and make better voting decisions. But rejecting Trump wholesale isn't a solution to that problem. > As far as CEO's collaborating with him being evil... Yeah, I would say working for the Trump administration at this point is basically like working with fascists in the 30s. We're not talking IBM-participating-in-the-Holocaust. We're talking left-wing businessmen getting the president to listen to them about how to best create manufacturing jobs. There's miles of difference between the two. Edit: this article, "Nationalism is Rising, Not Fascism" is a great read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is-rising-not_b_10281138.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is...

dave_sullivan 10y ago
> Hitler and Mussolini wanted to create a "New Man", unlike Hussein, Assad, and... Trump. Interesting that you hone in on that; it's true but their views on "men being more manly" do strangely reflect the alt-right and Trump. So yes, this is a fascist-like concept; Trump holds it in spades. > Trump isn't even a dictator yet, and may never become one. Don't quit smoking until you're riddled with cancer? > The biggest charge you can make against him is that he's pro-oligarchy, and empowers nefarious radical grassroots movements on the right. No, that's not the biggest charge, but those are themselves rather strong reasons to not want someone to be president. "He's a fascist" is the biggest charge in my mind. > The real problem is in public opinion, i.e. how to convince people on the right to care more about facts, and make better voting decisions. But rejecting Trump wholesale isn't a solution to that problem. That is A real problem, I agree. It's also a separate (but related) problem. The most acute problem is a fascist president (cancer), an uninformed public is more like "smoking" (the environment the cancer needs to form). > Edit: this article, "Nationalism is Rising, Not Fascism" is a great read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is.... Thanks! I disagree though; Trump is very very much a fascist, not merely a nationalist (we don't need any more of those either, btw)

dave_sullivan 10y ago

> Hitler and Mussolini wanted to create a "New Man", unlike Hussein, Assad, and... Trump. Interesting that you hone in on that; it's true but their views on "men being more manly" do strangely reflect the alt-right and Trump. So yes, this is a fascist-like concept; Trump holds it in spades. > Trump isn't even a dictator yet, and may never become one. Don't quit smoking until you're riddled with cancer? > The biggest charge you can make against him is that he's pro-oligarchy, and empowers nefarious radical grassroots movements on the right. No, that's not the biggest charge, but those are themselves rather strong reasons to not want someone to be president. "He's a fascist" is the biggest charge in my mind. > The real problem is in public opinion, i.e. how to convince people on the right to care more about facts, and make better voting decisions. But rejecting Trump wholesale isn't a solution to that problem. That is A real problem, I agree. It's also a separate (but related) problem. The most acute problem is a fascist president (cancer), an uninformed public is more like "smoking" (the environment the cancer needs to form). > Edit: this article, "Nationalism is Rising, Not Fascism" is a great read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-friedman/nationalism-is.... Thanks! I disagree though; Trump is very very much a fascist, not merely a nationalist (we don't need any more of those either, btw)