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> the many people calling Trump an actual fascist The Holocaust statement, which was pitch-perfect Holocaust denial of the modern weaselly style, should genuin

by TillE 10y ago

> the many people calling Trump an actual fascist The Holocaust statement, which was pitch-perfect Holocaust denial of the modern weaselly style, should genuinely terrify everyone. People are still desperately trying to act like everything is basically normal when it's incredibly not. Every idea you had about political engagement and norms, throw it in the garbage and start from scratch.

woofyman 10y ago
That was obscene. It's sadly true that the nazis committed acts of genocide against many peoples. The holocaust specifically refers to the genocide of Jews specifically.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  I thought that it specifically referred to the industrial murder of the Nazi regime, although mostly of Jews, but also of gypsies, and other people deemed "undesirables" by the state.
  - woofyman 10y ago
    That's not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust He "all lives mattered" the holocaust and white nationalists celebrated.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Did you read the link? The first paragraph says: > Some definitions of the Holocaust include the additional five million non-Jewish victims of Nazi mass murders, bringing the total to about 11 million
concinds 10y ago
I'm anti-Trump, and think the activism against his admin is justified. But consider these two points: 1) After Trump, will the mob go away? It may be justified here, but crowds are rarely rational, and when they are, not for long. 2) Again, there's this new, distinct idea that any tech company that does not strongly oppose Trump is just as evil as Hitler. You see mobs forming against Musk and the Uber CEO, when in my opinion all the Uber CEO did wrong was make PR mistakes, rather than harming anyone. Remember when, after Kalanick defended himself by citing the others who were cooperating with Trump (Musk and the others), thousands on Twitter were calling him a "snitch", in the top trending hashtag? When it was obviously publicly-available info that Musk et al were part of Trump's council?
flukus 10y ago
> “It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.” > “Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent,” he continued, again referring only to “the innocent.” > “In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good,” he concluded. “Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.” Is this the statement? How on earth do you get holocaust denial out of this? This is what OP meant by hysteria.

by TillE 10y ago

woofyman 10y ago

That was obscene. It's sadly true that the nazis committed acts of genocide against many peoples. The holocaust specifically refers to the genocide of Jews specifically.

pavel_lishin 10y ago
I thought that it specifically referred to the industrial murder of the Nazi regime, although mostly of Jews, but also of gypsies, and other people deemed "undesirables" by the state.
- woofyman 10y ago
  That's not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust He "all lives mattered" the holocaust and white nationalists celebrated.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Did you read the link? The first paragraph says: > Some definitions of the Holocaust include the additional five million non-Jewish victims of Nazi mass murders, bringing the total to about 11 million

concinds 10y ago

I'm anti-Trump, and think the activism against his admin is justified. But consider these two points: 1) After Trump, will the mob go away? It may be justified here, but crowds are rarely rational, and when they are, not for long. 2) Again, there's this new, distinct idea that any tech company that does not strongly oppose Trump is just as evil as Hitler. You see mobs forming against Musk and the Uber CEO, when in my opinion all the Uber CEO did wrong was make PR mistakes, rather than harming anyone. Remember when, after Kalanick defended himself by citing the others who were cooperating with Trump (Musk and the others), thousands on Twitter were calling him a "snitch", in the top trending hashtag? When it was obviously publicly-available info that Musk et al were part of Trump's council?

flukus 10y ago

> “It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.” > “Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent,” he continued, again referring only to “the innocent.” > “In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good,” he concluded. “Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.” Is this the statement? How on earth do you get holocaust denial out of this? This is what OP meant by hysteria.