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It is. If I read the great-grandparent correctly, violence is only needed as an outlet because the majority of humans don't have a particular combination of att

by mmirate 10y ago

It is. If I read the great-grandparent correctly, violence is only needed as an outlet because the majority of humans don't have a particular combination of attributes; therefore, one solution to that brand of inevitable violence, is to artificially select for precisely those attributes.

festivusr 10y ago
What is wrong with you?
konschubert 10y ago
You seem to forget that the act of selecting is an act of violence by itself.
- mmirate 10y ago
  Hence my particular turn-of-phrase: "that brand of inevitable violence [described by anigbrowl]". Yes, I probably should have included that bracketed clause. (aside: AFAICT, needing violence to remove violence is as much an inevitability as needing guns to remove guns.)
mmirate 10y ago
Oh, and nothing's wrong with me. I'm merely able to think of preconditions as potential subproblems. (dead comments' unrepliability is rather annoying, btw)
anigbrowl 10y ago
No, you haven't read it correctly, and I apologize for the lack of clarity in my remarks. My argument is that violence is only needed as an outlet because some people (a smallish minority) are willing to use it on a discretionary to further their own ends. I do not have omniscient knowledge of the causes and dynamics of violence. If it were possible to make a few thousand clones of myself and put them on an island with abundant resources (let's not worry about reproduction in this example), I can't say that violence would never break out because opinions would inevitably diverge in the light of my clones' diverse experiences, and if the differences of opinion proved irreconcilable then conflict could break out and violence might might ensue. Since we're talking about my clones arguments are virtually guaranteed :-) tl;dr a nation of philosophers would not necessarily be peaceful under all circumstances, and I think you'd be foolish to attempt to engineer such a thing. I don't know with which aspects of my personality can be ascribed to genetics and which are a function of my upbringing or adult experience.

by mmirate 10y ago

festivusr 10y ago

What is wrong with you?

konschubert 10y ago

You seem to forget that the act of selecting is an act of violence by itself.

mmirate 10y ago
Hence my particular turn-of-phrase: "that brand of inevitable violence [described by anigbrowl]". Yes, I probably should have included that bracketed clause. (aside: AFAICT, needing violence to remove violence is as much an inevitability as needing guns to remove guns.)

mmirate 10y ago

Oh, and nothing's wrong with me. I'm merely able to think of preconditions as potential subproblems. (dead comments' unrepliability is rather annoying, btw)

anigbrowl 10y ago

No, you haven't read it correctly, and I apologize for the lack of clarity in my remarks. My argument is that violence is only needed as an outlet because some people (a smallish minority) are willing to use it on a discretionary to further their own ends. I do not have omniscient knowledge of the causes and dynamics of violence. If it were possible to make a few thousand clones of myself and put them on an island with abundant resources (let's not worry about reproduction in this example), I can't say that violence would never break out because opinions would inevitably diverge in the light of my clones' diverse experiences, and if the differences of opinion proved irreconcilable then conflict could break out and violence might might ensue. Since we're talking about my clones arguments are virtually guaranteed :-) tl;dr a nation of philosophers would not necessarily be peaceful under all circumstances, and I think you'd be foolish to attempt to engineer such a thing. I don't know with which aspects of my personality can be ascribed to genetics and which are a function of my upbringing or adult experience.