Sounds pretty self-serving to say that I "referred to everyone else", just because you want to justify sloppy processes. I only referred to those who do that, a

Sounds pretty self-serving to say that I "referred to everyone else", just because you want to justify sloppy processes. I only referred to those who do that, and I'm sorry if I'm bursting anyone's bubble here, but nope; not everyone does that! Also a startup doesn't necessarily have requirements for serious ops, but it may, some day. Well if they want to be an enterprise at least. You do know what the goal of a startup is, don't you? And btw, no I don't live or work for company in SV. Europe mostly, with a dash of Dallas, Texas in the mix. In any case, I was hoping for engineering arguments, not personal attacks. :(