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>This is exactly what cars are doing on the sidewalk. It's not like the emissions travel in a straight line. No one is blowing smoke directly at you either. Th

>This is exactly what cars are doing on the sidewalk. It's not like the emissions travel in a straight line. No one is blowing smoke directly at you either. This is wrong go walk on a sidewalk near a smoker and you'll see them blowing clouds which go in peoples faces as they walk by and leaving clouds in the faces of people walking behind them. This isn't an issue of being in the vicinity of the smoke it is having to walk through the cloud of it. Go outside an office building around 9, 10:30 or lunch time and you'll often have to walk through a large cloud as all the smokers hang out to get in their smokes. Smokers are in general super inconsiderate about their additions effect on other people in public. >Never heard of this. Google scent free office or fragrancy free office it's not uncommon these days.

flukus 10y ago
> This is wrong go walk on a sidewalk near a smoker and you'll see them blowing clouds which go in peoples faces as they walk by and leaving clouds in the faces of people walking behind them. This isn't an issue of being in the vicinity of the smoke it is having to walk through the cloud of it. The only difference is the visibility, just because you can't see car exhaust doesn't mean it's not there. > Go outside an office building around 9, 10:30 or lunch time and you'll often have to walk through a large cloud as all the smokers hang out to get in their smokes. Yes, because it's about the only area left to go for a smoke. It's an effect of banning it everywhere else, not smokers being inconsiderate. If there was a nice out of the way area where smoking was allowed then people would go there.
- sanswork 10y ago
  >The only difference is the visibility, just because you can't see car exhaust doesn't mean it's not there. The only difference is proximity as I already mentioned. >If there was a nice out of the way area where smoking was allowed then people would go there. There are lots of out of the way areas in most cities for people to go smoke. But still you'll find them huddled outside the entrances to buildings or as close as they are allowed to be. As I said. Smokers are selfish and will try to justify every negative impact of their addiction on others. They aren't being inconsiderate about smoke you're forcing their hand. They don't want to litter but it's your fault for not providing ash trays, etc, etc. I smoked for 20 years and I've heard countless reasons from smokers for being inconsiderate but they all basically boil down to selfishness.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > I smoked for 20 years and I've heard countless reasons from smokers for being inconsiderate but they all basically boil down to selfishness. That explains it. Ex smokers always rant about smokers as a way to deal with the cravings they still have. This isn't about the smell of smokers, it's about you wanting a cigarette when you smell them.
    - sanswork 10y ago
      >Ex smokers always rant about smokers as a way to deal with the cravings they still have. No cravings here. >This isn't about the smell of smokers, it's about you wanting a cigarette when you smell them. Definitely not. The smell is enough to make me gag when I'm stuck around a bunch of smokers. I look back on my years of smoking embarrassed to know how badly I certainly smelled that whole time. It really is a disgusting addiction. None of that changes anything I've said though. But given that you've switched to deflection now I think we're done here.
    - Jemmeh 10y ago
      Not a smoker, never been a smoker, agree with sanswork. Smokers are generally very inconsiderate about their habit. Not everyone, but most of them. They throw them on the ground even when there's an ashtray. They throw it out their car window. They smoke right outside the door. Even if there's a sign that says be 50 feet away from the door, they'll be -maybe- 10 feet away. Since they get used to the smell they don't realize how awful it is to be that close to the door, or how bad it is when they come inside. I imagine a lot of them don't know about the environmental effects of throwing it wherever, but to be fair I see the same attitude with plastic bottles being all over the damn place.
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      I've never been a smoker and everything sanswork has said, I could have written myself. I don't care if people smoke, I just don't want to smell it, and I don't want to inhale it. I would not have any problem with people injecting or eating nicotene as much as they want. I just don't want to be forced to inhale it against my will. And besides the horrible health effects, it smells worse than anything else. Yes, I can smell that you had one before you got on the bus, the stench is overpowering. And yes I can smell you smoking literally 75m away. It's totally gross. All the strawman arguments about vehicle exhaust gas are irrelevant because at the end of the day smoking has no other utility. Society accepts (a regulated amount of) exhaust gases because we need transport and we can't make a car that does not make emissions currently. If we could make a car that did not cause emissions, it would almost immediately be illegal to make a car that did emit exhaust, and with good reason. Like sanswork said, at the end of the day smokers are just super selfish and blame others for being "too sensitive" because they are too lazy to change their inconsiderate behaviour. There are plenty of places you can smoke, those places just aren't conveniently amongst the general population anymore, 90% of whom do not, and don't want to smoke. Anyone who smokes while walking down the public footpath is selfish and inconsiderate, and anyone who throws their butt on the ground is selfish and inconsiderate. The "4m from any entrance" and whatever laws are the bare minimum required by law. Nobody likes your addiction. Enjoy the hell out of your cigarettes but please keep your shameful habit to yourself, far away from all the people who don't want to inhale it or smell it.

flukus 10y ago

> This is wrong go walk on a sidewalk near a smoker and you'll see them blowing clouds which go in peoples faces as they walk by and leaving clouds in the faces of people walking behind them. This isn't an issue of being in the vicinity of the smoke it is having to walk through the cloud of it. The only difference is the visibility, just because you can't see car exhaust doesn't mean it's not there. > Go outside an office building around 9, 10:30 or lunch time and you'll often have to walk through a large cloud as all the smokers hang out to get in their smokes. Yes, because it's about the only area left to go for a smoke. It's an effect of banning it everywhere else, not smokers being inconsiderate. If there was a nice out of the way area where smoking was allowed then people would go there.

sanswork 10y ago
>The only difference is the visibility, just because you can't see car exhaust doesn't mean it's not there. The only difference is proximity as I already mentioned. >If there was a nice out of the way area where smoking was allowed then people would go there. There are lots of out of the way areas in most cities for people to go smoke. But still you'll find them huddled outside the entrances to buildings or as close as they are allowed to be. As I said. Smokers are selfish and will try to justify every negative impact of their addiction on others. They aren't being inconsiderate about smoke you're forcing their hand. They don't want to litter but it's your fault for not providing ash trays, etc, etc. I smoked for 20 years and I've heard countless reasons from smokers for being inconsiderate but they all basically boil down to selfishness.
- flukus 10y ago
  > I smoked for 20 years and I've heard countless reasons from smokers for being inconsiderate but they all basically boil down to selfishness. That explains it. Ex smokers always rant about smokers as a way to deal with the cravings they still have. This isn't about the smell of smokers, it's about you wanting a cigarette when you smell them.
  - sanswork 10y ago
    >Ex smokers always rant about smokers as a way to deal with the cravings they still have. No cravings here. >This isn't about the smell of smokers, it's about you wanting a cigarette when you smell them. Definitely not. The smell is enough to make me gag when I'm stuck around a bunch of smokers. I look back on my years of smoking embarrassed to know how badly I certainly smelled that whole time. It really is a disgusting addiction. None of that changes anything I've said though. But given that you've switched to deflection now I think we're done here.
  - Jemmeh 10y ago
    Not a smoker, never been a smoker, agree with sanswork. Smokers are generally very inconsiderate about their habit. Not everyone, but most of them. They throw them on the ground even when there's an ashtray. They throw it out their car window. They smoke right outside the door. Even if there's a sign that says be 50 feet away from the door, they'll be -maybe- 10 feet away. Since they get used to the smell they don't realize how awful it is to be that close to the door, or how bad it is when they come inside. I imagine a lot of them don't know about the environmental effects of throwing it wherever, but to be fair I see the same attitude with plastic bottles being all over the damn place.
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    I've never been a smoker and everything sanswork has said, I could have written myself. I don't care if people smoke, I just don't want to smell it, and I don't want to inhale it. I would not have any problem with people injecting or eating nicotene as much as they want. I just don't want to be forced to inhale it against my will. And besides the horrible health effects, it smells worse than anything else. Yes, I can smell that you had one before you got on the bus, the stench is overpowering. And yes I can smell you smoking literally 75m away. It's totally gross. All the strawman arguments about vehicle exhaust gas are irrelevant because at the end of the day smoking has no other utility. Society accepts (a regulated amount of) exhaust gases because we need transport and we can't make a car that does not make emissions currently. If we could make a car that did not cause emissions, it would almost immediately be illegal to make a car that did emit exhaust, and with good reason. Like sanswork said, at the end of the day smokers are just super selfish and blame others for being "too sensitive" because they are too lazy to change their inconsiderate behaviour. There are plenty of places you can smoke, those places just aren't conveniently amongst the general population anymore, 90% of whom do not, and don't want to smoke. Anyone who smokes while walking down the public footpath is selfish and inconsiderate, and anyone who throws their butt on the ground is selfish and inconsiderate. The "4m from any entrance" and whatever laws are the bare minimum required by law. Nobody likes your addiction. Enjoy the hell out of your cigarettes but please keep your shameful habit to yourself, far away from all the people who don't want to inhale it or smell it.