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Yep! I think that's what commenter's statement is intended to mean: "the US was a nation populated by either a lot of very tipsy people, or a lot of sober peopl

Yep! I think that's what commenter's statement is intended to mean: "the US was a nation populated by either a lot of very tipsy people, or a lot of sober people and some very drunk people".

maxerickson 10y ago
But even tipsy wouldn't be the case for people that were drinking such amounts everyday.
- paulddraper 10y ago
  "Buzzed"?
  - lovich 10y ago
    If I drank a shots worth of alcohol spaced put over 3 hours, I would not feel anything and I am not a particularly large person
    - WalterSear 10y ago
      And if you did it every day, you wouldn't feel it at all. But, your liver would.
      - taneq 10y ago
        Really? Most health guidelines suggest drinking no more than 2-4 standard drinks per day. I'd be very surprised if one standard drink per day, spread over a long period, caused any measurable harm.
        maxerickson 10y ago
        The CDC warns that moderate consumption increases cancer risk: For some conditions, like some cancers, the risk increases even at very low levels of alcohol consumption (less than 1 drink). https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/moderate-drinking.htm https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/moderate-drinking.ht...
        corin_ 10y ago
        Guidelines vary by country, but 2-4/day is high at least by current UK and US guidelines. In the UK it was lowered a year ago to a recommended 14 units per week (UK units - "14 units is equivalent to a bottle and a half of wine or five pints of export-type lager (5% abv) over the course of a week") [1]. CDC website says "According to the Dietary Guidelines for Americans,1 moderate alcohol consumption is defined as having up to 1 drink per day for women and up to 2 drinks per day for men. This definition is referring to the amount consumed on any single day and is not intended as an average over several days." [2] Actually, there's a Wikipedia page with various countries' guidelines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_alcoholic_beverages#Units_and_standard_drinks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_... [1] http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/01January/Pages/New-alcohol-advice-issued.aspx http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/01January/Pages/New-alcohol-advi... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#moderate https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#moderate
BurningFrog 10y ago
Or people who were sober most of the time but rip roaring drunk several times a week.
Balgair 10y ago
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Current average alcohol use in the US is very high, but that is due to the skew caused by alcoholics. The median use of alcohol is more 'reasonable'. Other commenters cite the current rates and usage stats. I assume that the 1820's usage patterns are very similar to current one, but I have no data to prove that, hence the last sentence. That said, I think that the point still stands that they were pretty sloshed. Current usage patterns tease this out : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think-you-drink-a-lot-this-chart-will-tell-you/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think... . Today, per that chart, the average American drinks ~1.4 'drinks' per day, not 1.4 shots of pure ethanol. The 1820s were a lush time.

Yep! I think that's what commenter's statement is intended to mean: "the US was a nation populated by either a lot of very tipsy people, or a lot of sober people and some very drunk people".

maxerickson 10y ago

But even tipsy wouldn't be the case for people that were drinking such amounts everyday.

paulddraper 10y ago
"Buzzed"?
- lovich 10y ago
  If I drank a shots worth of alcohol spaced put over 3 hours, I would not feel anything and I am not a particularly large person
  - WalterSear 10y ago
    And if you did it every day, you wouldn't feel it at all. But, your liver would.
    - taneq 10y ago
      Really? Most health guidelines suggest drinking no more than 2-4 standard drinks per day. I'd be very surprised if one standard drink per day, spread over a long period, caused any measurable harm.
      - maxerickson 10y ago
        The CDC warns that moderate consumption increases cancer risk: For some conditions, like some cancers, the risk increases even at very low levels of alcohol consumption (less than 1 drink). https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/moderate-drinking.htm https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/moderate-drinking.ht...
      - corin_ 10y ago
        Guidelines vary by country, but 2-4/day is high at least by current UK and US guidelines. In the UK it was lowered a year ago to a recommended 14 units per week (UK units - "14 units is equivalent to a bottle and a half of wine or five pints of export-type lager (5% abv) over the course of a week") [1]. CDC website says "According to the Dietary Guidelines for Americans,1 moderate alcohol consumption is defined as having up to 1 drink per day for women and up to 2 drinks per day for men. This definition is referring to the amount consumed on any single day and is not intended as an average over several days." [2] Actually, there's a Wikipedia page with various countries' guidelines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_alcoholic_beverages#Units_and_standard_drinks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_... [1] http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/01January/Pages/New-alcohol-advice-issued.aspx http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/01January/Pages/New-alcohol-advi... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#moderate https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#moderate

BurningFrog 10y ago

Or people who were sober most of the time but rip roaring drunk several times a week.

Balgair 10y ago

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Current average alcohol use in the US is very high, but that is due to the skew caused by alcoholics. The median use of alcohol is more 'reasonable'. Other commenters cite the current rates and usage stats. I assume that the 1820's usage patterns are very similar to current one, but I have no data to prove that, hence the last sentence. That said, I think that the point still stands that they were pretty sloshed. Current usage patterns tease this out : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think-you-drink-a-lot-this-chart-will-tell-you/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/25/think... . Today, per that chart, the average American drinks ~1.4 'drinks' per day, not 1.4 shots of pure ethanol. The 1820s were a lush time.