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I've got a touch bar. I don't really use it, but I don't feel like I've been slapped in the face. People who hunt-and-peck and haven't memorized keyboard short

by xapata 10y ago

I've got a touch bar. I don't really use it, but I don't feel like I've been slapped in the face. People who hunt-and-peck and haven't memorized keyboard shortcuts (basically everyone) are going to love the touch bar.

graeme 10y ago
>People who hunt-and-peck and haven't memorized keyboard shortcuts (basically everyone) are going to love the touch bar. How many Macbook Pro users fit that profile?
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >How many Macbook Pro users fit that profile? The vast majority.
  - graeme 10y ago
    Really? What are their use cases? Mac users, sure. But almost all macbook pro users I know tend to be saavy.
    - xapata 10y ago
      Some corporations have a policy of buying MacBooks Pro for their employees, regardless of job requirements. I have met many who aren't aware of ... well ... they're not power users.
weaksauce 10y ago
I consider myself pretty adept at typing but I am not able to reliably hit the fn keys without looking down save for maybe f1 and f5. Though, I am on a full size keyboard so the distance to travel to the top row is further.
Tloewald 10y ago
Function-keys aren't really useful for touch typing and are hard or impossible to memorize (in my experience) so I imagine the population of potential beneficiaries for the touchbar is larger than merely hunt-and-peck typists (I'm a twoish-fingered touch typist who gets 60wpm; I've tried to learn to touch-type but it slows me down for too long I always revert). That said, I think that putting a display under the trackpad as well or instead would have a bigger payoff.
- xapata 10y ago
  You lost 8 fingers in a terrible accident? :-) I have trouble with the pinky finger on my right hand. I should be using it to hit the "p" but... I dunno, it just doesn't happen that way. Sorry, Mavis Beacon, I tried. I've got a handful of function keys memorized, but I frequently miss if I'm not looking down. I'd never try to Alt-F5 on Windows without looking.
- pshposh 10y ago
  I think the function keys are much easier to touch-find on a full size keyboard because they are often in banks of 4 with a gap between them.
eslaught 10y ago
> memorized keyboard shortcuts What keyboard shortcuts? I touch type, but nearly all the keyboard shortcuts I know use the lower part of the keyboard (ctrl- or cmd- or alt- some letter or number). I know F5 to refresh, but never used it on my Mac since the media keys were set to be the default and were more useful to me anyway. The only thing that occasionally causes me to do a double-take about the touch bar is the non-physical escape key. And even that has not honestly been much of an issue for me.
- eridius 10y ago
  > I know F5 to refresh, but never used it on my Mac since the media keys were set to be the default and were more useful to me anyway. Probably a good thing, since F5 to refresh is a Windows thing and does nothing on the Mac.
- 72deluxe 10y ago
  Ctrl-F2 for the menu bar, use it all the time. Ctrl-F3 for the dock, use it all the time. F6 to continue, F7 to step into within Xcode. I'd miss them I think.
  - dkonofalski 10y ago
    Then it's a good thing that all the function keys pop right back up when you hit the FN key on the keyboard...
    - 72deluxe 10y ago
      Thank you for this info. I have been fearful of this new change but need to try it out. Not enough money (or an actual need) to upgrade at the moment, thankfully.

by xapata 10y ago

graeme 10y ago

>People who hunt-and-peck and haven't memorized keyboard shortcuts (basically everyone) are going to love the touch bar. How many Macbook Pro users fit that profile?

forgetsusername 10y ago
>How many Macbook Pro users fit that profile? The vast majority.
- graeme 10y ago
  Really? What are their use cases? Mac users, sure. But almost all macbook pro users I know tend to be saavy.
  - xapata 10y ago
    Some corporations have a policy of buying MacBooks Pro for their employees, regardless of job requirements. I have met many who aren't aware of ... well ... they're not power users.

weaksauce 10y ago

I consider myself pretty adept at typing but I am not able to reliably hit the fn keys without looking down save for maybe f1 and f5. Though, I am on a full size keyboard so the distance to travel to the top row is further.

Tloewald 10y ago

Function-keys aren't really useful for touch typing and are hard or impossible to memorize (in my experience) so I imagine the population of potential beneficiaries for the touchbar is larger than merely hunt-and-peck typists (I'm a twoish-fingered touch typist who gets 60wpm; I've tried to learn to touch-type but it slows me down for too long I always revert). That said, I think that putting a display under the trackpad as well or instead would have a bigger payoff.

xapata 10y ago
You lost 8 fingers in a terrible accident? :-) I have trouble with the pinky finger on my right hand. I should be using it to hit the "p" but... I dunno, it just doesn't happen that way. Sorry, Mavis Beacon, I tried. I've got a handful of function keys memorized, but I frequently miss if I'm not looking down. I'd never try to Alt-F5 on Windows without looking.
pshposh 10y ago
I think the function keys are much easier to touch-find on a full size keyboard because they are often in banks of 4 with a gap between them.

eslaught 10y ago

> memorized keyboard shortcuts What keyboard shortcuts? I touch type, but nearly all the keyboard shortcuts I know use the lower part of the keyboard (ctrl- or cmd- or alt- some letter or number). I know F5 to refresh, but never used it on my Mac since the media keys were set to be the default and were more useful to me anyway. The only thing that occasionally causes me to do a double-take about the touch bar is the non-physical escape key. And even that has not honestly been much of an issue for me.

eridius 10y ago
> I know F5 to refresh, but never used it on my Mac since the media keys were set to be the default and were more useful to me anyway. Probably a good thing, since F5 to refresh is a Windows thing and does nothing on the Mac.
72deluxe 10y ago
Ctrl-F2 for the menu bar, use it all the time. Ctrl-F3 for the dock, use it all the time. F6 to continue, F7 to step into within Xcode. I'd miss them I think.
- dkonofalski 10y ago
  Then it's a good thing that all the function keys pop right back up when you hit the FN key on the keyboard...
  - 72deluxe 10y ago
    Thank you for this info. I have been fearful of this new change but need to try it out. Not enough money (or an actual need) to upgrade at the moment, thankfully.