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What, exactly, is the problem with that? Everyone should have the right to refuse service to whomever they please. Should I be forced to cater to a nazi weddi

What, exactly, is the problem with that? Everyone should have the right to refuse service to whomever they please. Should I be forced to cater to a nazi wedding? I think I should be allowed to deny service to whomever I please. And if people don't like it (as in the case of denying service to certain races) then they should stop going to that business.

Miner49er 10y ago
No you shouldn't be forced to cater to a Nazi wedding in my opinion. A person chooses to be a Nazi, but a person doesn't choose their race. It's unfair and dangerous to treat people differently for something about themselves that they can't control.
- kansface 10y ago
  | It's unfair and dangerous to treat people differently for something about themselves that they can't control. It is not fair one way or the other. You have also put yourself in the unenviable position of determining what can and can not be controlled by an individual - this will not end well.
  - Miner49er 10y ago
    We kind of already do that with the Civil Rights act of 1964, and it has seemed to work okay.
    - kansface 10y ago
      Indeed, The Civil Rights Act kinda does - | ...equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. IE, a specific group of people in specific set of places. That does not include discrimination against "things people can't control" in any and all establishments.
hackuser 10y ago
> What, exactly, is the problem with that? Everyone should have the right to refuse service to whomever they please. I encourage you to look up the history of segregation in the U.S. That approach works out very badly.
- empath75 10y ago
  I suspect this person would not agree with that.
  - TheOsiris 10y ago
    I'm a racial and religious minority who's in an interracial relationship. so, as you've already guessed, I long for the Jim Crow days of yore.
- TheOsiris 10y ago
  I guess the reason I think we no longer be that is the fact that this is a very different country from back then. after all, we have twitter! /s. but I see your point and concede that it can be a dangerous slippery slope.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > this is a very different country from back then Very different, but still a long way to go. I remember reading that in ~1959 (this is from memory, so all details are a bit hazy) 95% of Americans opposed legalizing interracial marriage; now of course a similar number support its legality - it's a non-issue. Look at the boom in the black middle class (it's amazing what people do when you give them a chance). Look at LGBTQ rights and the incredible advance of women in society. On the other hand, look at who won the November election, offering the most brazen racially and religiously prejudiced, hateful messages of any major party candidate, possibly ever, and openly partnering with the most powerful agent of white supremacy in the U.S. (Bannon). Look at how minorities are treated by law enforcement in many places. Look at the overwhelming prevalence of white-skinned people (and men) in movies, IT (name the top 10 industry leaders in the last 25 years), national and state government, Fortune 500 CEOs, etc etc.

Miner49er 10y ago

No you shouldn't be forced to cater to a Nazi wedding in my opinion. A person chooses to be a Nazi, but a person doesn't choose their race. It's unfair and dangerous to treat people differently for something about themselves that they can't control.

kansface 10y ago
| It's unfair and dangerous to treat people differently for something about themselves that they can't control. It is not fair one way or the other. You have also put yourself in the unenviable position of determining what can and can not be controlled by an individual - this will not end well.
- Miner49er 10y ago
  We kind of already do that with the Civil Rights act of 1964, and it has seemed to work okay.
  - kansface 10y ago
    Indeed, The Civil Rights Act kinda does - | ...equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. IE, a specific group of people in specific set of places. That does not include discrimination against "things people can't control" in any and all establishments.

hackuser 10y ago

> What, exactly, is the problem with that? Everyone should have the right to refuse service to whomever they please. I encourage you to look up the history of segregation in the U.S. That approach works out very badly.

empath75 10y ago
I suspect this person would not agree with that.
- TheOsiris 10y ago
  I'm a racial and religious minority who's in an interracial relationship. so, as you've already guessed, I long for the Jim Crow days of yore.
TheOsiris 10y ago
I guess the reason I think we no longer be that is the fact that this is a very different country from back then. after all, we have twitter! /s. but I see your point and concede that it can be a dangerous slippery slope.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > this is a very different country from back then Very different, but still a long way to go. I remember reading that in ~1959 (this is from memory, so all details are a bit hazy) 95% of Americans opposed legalizing interracial marriage; now of course a similar number support its legality - it's a non-issue. Look at the boom in the black middle class (it's amazing what people do when you give them a chance). Look at LGBTQ rights and the incredible advance of women in society. On the other hand, look at who won the November election, offering the most brazen racially and religiously prejudiced, hateful messages of any major party candidate, possibly ever, and openly partnering with the most powerful agent of white supremacy in the U.S. (Bannon). Look at how minorities are treated by law enforcement in many places. Look at the overwhelming prevalence of white-skinned people (and men) in movies, IT (name the top 10 industry leaders in the last 25 years), national and state government, Fortune 500 CEOs, etc etc.