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The majority of the reactions I have seen focus almost exclusively on the restrictions themselves rather than the way they were implemented. Among SV, the medi

The majority of the reactions I have seen focus almost exclusively on the restrictions themselves rather than the way they were implemented. Among SV, the media, Hollywood, and elites in general, any call for immigration / entry restrictions almost immediately results in the usual "you are a bigot", "you are a fascist" "we are a nation of immigrants" etc. visceral reactions NOT the kind of more nuanced response you provided above. That's the point of the article to which I referred. Maybe it's time to stop calling people names and organizing against them for having completely legitimate concerns and instead debate the actual issues at hand in a reasonable manner.

morgante 10y ago
> The majority of the reactions I have seen focus almost exclusively on the restrictions themselves rather than the way they were implemented. That's because the problem is with the restrictions themselves. Banning people, en masse, including existing lawful visa holders and permanent residents is a huge problem. The fact that you haven't seen this information or reaction before says more about you than the facts of the case. If you follow the NYT, Atlantic, or even the Twitter feeds of many people reacting to this (including from YC) you'll see that much of the consternation is about how broad this ban is—not with the specific idea of tightening immigration rules. In a democracy, we don't ban thousands of people from our country overnight. Changes like this, regardless of their merits, should be debated and approved by the legislature—not made by executive fiat.
- mmckelvy 10y ago
  > The fact that you haven't seen this information or reaction before says more about you than the facts of the case. And there we have it.
chillacy 10y ago
A large part is that Trump isn't as smooth as a traditional politician. He gets in and starts going for it–no conciliatory tones, no concessions. I bet that if Bush had implemented the same policy, there'd be opposition but not anything near what we have now. > Trump entered office with one of the three narrowest mandates of the past century, along with Nixon in 1968 and George W. Bush in 2000... Both Nixon and Bush, however — although they’d later become polarizing presidents — adopted conciliatory tones during their transitions into office. Hardly a partisan word can be found in Nixon’s 1969 inaugural address or Bush’s in 2001. They began their presidencies as relatively popular presidents, therefore. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doing-what-he-said-hed-do/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doing-what-he-...

morgante 10y ago

> The majority of the reactions I have seen focus almost exclusively on the restrictions themselves rather than the way they were implemented. That's because the problem is with the restrictions themselves. Banning people, en masse, including existing lawful visa holders and permanent residents is a huge problem. The fact that you haven't seen this information or reaction before says more about you than the facts of the case. If you follow the NYT, Atlantic, or even the Twitter feeds of many people reacting to this (including from YC) you'll see that much of the consternation is about how broad this ban is—not with the specific idea of tightening immigration rules. In a democracy, we don't ban thousands of people from our country overnight. Changes like this, regardless of their merits, should be debated and approved by the legislature—not made by executive fiat.

mmckelvy 10y ago
> The fact that you haven't seen this information or reaction before says more about you than the facts of the case. And there we have it.

chillacy 10y ago

A large part is that Trump isn't as smooth as a traditional politician. He gets in and starts going for it–no conciliatory tones, no concessions. I bet that if Bush had implemented the same policy, there'd be opposition but not anything near what we have now. > Trump entered office with one of the three narrowest mandates of the past century, along with Nixon in 1968 and George W. Bush in 2000... Both Nixon and Bush, however — although they’d later become polarizing presidents — adopted conciliatory tones during their transitions into office. Hardly a partisan word can be found in Nixon’s 1969 inaugural address or Bush’s in 2001. They began their presidencies as relatively popular presidents, therefore. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doing-what-he-said-hed-do/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doing-what-he-...