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Anyone that's interested in reading a more detailed account of the experiment can do so here: http://www.pokerlistings.com/libratus-poker-ai-smokes-humans-for-

Anyone that's interested in reading a more detailed account of the experiment can do so here: http://www.pokerlistings.com/libratus-poker-ai-smokes-humans-for-1-76m-is-this-the-end-42839 http://www.pokerlistings.com/libratus-poker-ai-smokes-humans... The above article spells out some of the details of the competition. The winrate (14.72bb/100) that the AI achieved over the 120k hand sample is almost certainly not due to luck. It is a huge winrate that most pros have to employ strong game selection techniques to achieve (only play against bad players). Here's a layman's explanation of how a poker AI can be trained: http://www.pokersnowie.com/about/technology-training.html http://www.pokersnowie.com/about/technology-training.html And some details about the weaknesses resulting from how they've abstracted the game: http://www.pokersnowie.com/about/weaknesses.html http://www.pokersnowie.com/about/weaknesses.html

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iopq 10y ago
If it was paying rake like online players do, then that winrate would drop into single digits.
fierycatnet 10y ago
That's pretty impressive, the win rate and amount of hands played. It's certainly not a fluke. At the same time, these 4 pros, I've never heard of them. This AI and organizers should focus on HU specialists. Perhaps even invite players like Negreanu, Ivey, and more recent online pros who've made a fortune. Just don't let Hellmuth to play this machine, it would be a disaster.
- coltnz 10y ago
  These pros are considered to be top 20 HU online specialists, they would destroy Negreanu and Ivey over the long run at this particular variant (which they have played millions of hands at).
  - marklgr 10y ago
    Back when I played poker (up to ~2010), Negreanu was mostly a celebrity, as well as a pretty good blog writer. He was no match for the best pro players, but perhaps he has dramatically improved. Ivey was pretty good at managing his image, too.
    - mod 10y ago
      Say that all you want, those guys play(ed? I'm out of the loop) in the big game, and...whoever you're thinking of, basically--didn't.
      - adamlett 10y ago
        Conversely, not many of the celebrity players have had much success playing online. Ivey did have some good years but even he has been struggling for the past few years. Almost all pros who have had success both online and live agree that live games a ridiculously soft compared to online games. The reason more online pros don't play live is because you have to live in Las Vegas or Macau to play a the highest stakes, or you have to be invited. Also, the big live games are usually mixed games that don't afford a huge edge to online pros who specialise in a few games.
        mod 10y ago
        I don't dispute any of that, I simply dispute whether or not Negreanu is a "top pro," or whether he would be a match for "the top pros." He is a top pro. Not in HU cash. He couldn't hang with these guys at HU cash, at least not with his current skill in the discipline. But hey, poker is not that narrow of a term. It includes all kinds of disciplines, live and online, horse and stud and hold 'em, the list goes on. Those same "top pros" who Negreanu wouldn't play HU Cash wouldn't sit in the big game with him. Arguably bankroll management is the most important skill of a top poker professional, and that's maybe what big-game players are best at. Also, a small caveat to all of your comment is that live games are soft compared to online games of the same limit. There is no online equivalent of the big game, or at least there wasn't when black friday hit and knocked me out of the professional poker scene.

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iopq 10y ago

If it was paying rake like online players do, then that winrate would drop into single digits.

fierycatnet 10y ago

That's pretty impressive, the win rate and amount of hands played. It's certainly not a fluke. At the same time, these 4 pros, I've never heard of them. This AI and organizers should focus on HU specialists. Perhaps even invite players like Negreanu, Ivey, and more recent online pros who've made a fortune. Just don't let Hellmuth to play this machine, it would be a disaster.

coltnz 10y ago
These pros are considered to be top 20 HU online specialists, they would destroy Negreanu and Ivey over the long run at this particular variant (which they have played millions of hands at).
- marklgr 10y ago
  Back when I played poker (up to ~2010), Negreanu was mostly a celebrity, as well as a pretty good blog writer. He was no match for the best pro players, but perhaps he has dramatically improved. Ivey was pretty good at managing his image, too.
  - mod 10y ago
    Say that all you want, those guys play(ed? I'm out of the loop) in the big game, and...whoever you're thinking of, basically--didn't.
    - adamlett 10y ago
      Conversely, not many of the celebrity players have had much success playing online. Ivey did have some good years but even he has been struggling for the past few years. Almost all pros who have had success both online and live agree that live games a ridiculously soft compared to online games. The reason more online pros don't play live is because you have to live in Las Vegas or Macau to play a the highest stakes, or you have to be invited. Also, the big live games are usually mixed games that don't afford a huge edge to online pros who specialise in a few games.
      - mod 10y ago
        I don't dispute any of that, I simply dispute whether or not Negreanu is a "top pro," or whether he would be a match for "the top pros." He is a top pro. Not in HU cash. He couldn't hang with these guys at HU cash, at least not with his current skill in the discipline. But hey, poker is not that narrow of a term. It includes all kinds of disciplines, live and online, horse and stud and hold 'em, the list goes on. Those same "top pros" who Negreanu wouldn't play HU Cash wouldn't sit in the big game with him. Arguably bankroll management is the most important skill of a top poker professional, and that's maybe what big-game players are best at. Also, a small caveat to all of your comment is that live games are soft compared to online games of the same limit. There is no online equivalent of the big game, or at least there wasn't when black friday hit and knocked me out of the professional poker scene.