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That this is being downvoted is extremely telling of the audience here. Engage in a discussion if you disagree. Downvoting unpopular opinions into oblivion is h

That this is being downvoted is extremely telling of the audience here. Engage in a discussion if you disagree. Downvoting unpopular opinions into oblivion is how you get a SV/liberal echo chamber.

alanh 10y ago
I strongly agree. Let’s be better than this, please.
wootness 10y ago
There is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning abortion would result in countless problems and if people aren't willing to do the research to understand that .... downvotes are indeed required.
- lol214365 10y ago
  "There is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning slavery causes a lot of problems. Where are all these slaves going to live? Where are they going to work? Where are the 40 acres and a mule going to come from? What if they want to return to Africa? Educate yourself before you ban obviously immoral practices. Downvotes are indeed required." This is why you lost btw.
  - sctb 10y ago
    Please comment civilly (this kind of misquotation is not) and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - lol214365 10y ago
      The parent comment called everyone pro-life uneducated and incapable of reason; I hardly see how mocking him for it in a way that demonstrates how asinine that line of thought is is out-of-line. Yes, this is how I would respond face-to-face if someone maligned half my country.
Naberhaben 10y ago
This is being downvoted because of the intentionally passive-aggressive language that was used by the poster. It's fairly clear that the poster isn't interested in engaging in a discussion due to this. Even ignoring the phrasing, it wasn't a post that merits much discussion -- simply responses in the form of references to groups similar to the ACLU that are anti-abortion.
- treehau5 10y ago
  I am afraid you have read way too far into my comment. It really isn't, it's simply a way of rephrasing the argument, rather than just saying "I am Pro-life" which will get surely downvoted to oblivion, I phrased in a way that might make sense to rational thinkers -- that I believe civil rights should be applied to all created beings, both born and unborn, but boy was I wrong. I am legitimately interesting in supporting civil liberties, as I have had the graces of benefiting from civil liberty groups myself in the past, I just cannot look past the fact that the ACLU views persons inside the womb as somehow less human than those immediately outside.
  - Naberhaben 10y ago
    I think I read into your comment exactly how you intended and have just described. Perhaps the "intentionally" portion of my "intentionally passive-aggressive" comment was incorrect, but the rest of what you just described is exactly what I (and I presume other down-voters) understood your comment to be. Your phrasing as "I believe in the civil rights for all people, outside the womb, and inside" carries the implicit assumption that pro-abortion people do not, in fact, believe in the civil rights for all people. The reality is that the down-voters likely do believe in the civil rights for all people, but do not believe that a fetus is a person yet. Since that is generally the debate between those who are for and against abortion, the feeling of passive-aggression from your comment stems from entirely disregarding the other side's point of view and instead simply implying that they don't care about civil liberties. FWIW, I think just saying "I am pro-life" wouldn't have gotten you down-voted to oblivion.

That this is being downvoted is extremely telling of the audience here. Engage in a discussion if you disagree. Downvoting unpopular opinions into oblivion is how you get a SV/liberal echo chamber.

alanh 10y ago

I strongly agree. Let’s be better than this, please.

wootness 10y ago

There is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning abortion would result in countless problems and if people aren't willing to do the research to understand that .... downvotes are indeed required.

lol214365 10y ago
"There is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning slavery causes a lot of problems. Where are all these slaves going to live? Where are they going to work? Where are the 40 acres and a mule going to come from? What if they want to return to Africa? Educate yourself before you ban obviously immoral practices. Downvotes are indeed required." This is why you lost btw.
- sctb 10y ago
  Please comment civilly (this kind of misquotation is not) and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - lol214365 10y ago
    The parent comment called everyone pro-life uneducated and incapable of reason; I hardly see how mocking him for it in a way that demonstrates how asinine that line of thought is is out-of-line. Yes, this is how I would respond face-to-face if someone maligned half my country.

Naberhaben 10y ago

This is being downvoted because of the intentionally passive-aggressive language that was used by the poster. It's fairly clear that the poster isn't interested in engaging in a discussion due to this. Even ignoring the phrasing, it wasn't a post that merits much discussion -- simply responses in the form of references to groups similar to the ACLU that are anti-abortion.

treehau5 10y ago
I am afraid you have read way too far into my comment. It really isn't, it's simply a way of rephrasing the argument, rather than just saying "I am Pro-life" which will get surely downvoted to oblivion, I phrased in a way that might make sense to rational thinkers -- that I believe civil rights should be applied to all created beings, both born and unborn, but boy was I wrong. I am legitimately interesting in supporting civil liberties, as I have had the graces of benefiting from civil liberty groups myself in the past, I just cannot look past the fact that the ACLU views persons inside the womb as somehow less human than those immediately outside.
- Naberhaben 10y ago
  I think I read into your comment exactly how you intended and have just described. Perhaps the "intentionally" portion of my "intentionally passive-aggressive" comment was incorrect, but the rest of what you just described is exactly what I (and I presume other down-voters) understood your comment to be. Your phrasing as "I believe in the civil rights for all people, outside the womb, and inside" carries the implicit assumption that pro-abortion people do not, in fact, believe in the civil rights for all people. The reality is that the down-voters likely do believe in the civil rights for all people, but do not believe that a fetus is a person yet. Since that is generally the debate between those who are for and against abortion, the feeling of passive-aggression from your comment stems from entirely disregarding the other side's point of view and instead simply implying that they don't care about civil liberties. FWIW, I think just saying "I am pro-life" wouldn't have gotten you down-voted to oblivion.