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The content map is the dom, no? I can't see what you described ending up any less complex than what we have today.

jdmichal 10y ago
The DOM is more than the proposed content map, because it also creates structure. I think the proposed idea is to basically create a structure without any content, then apply the content into that structure. The current split is CSS is presentation while HTML is content + structure. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this proposal would separate content and structure. I'm not sure where presentation would go; you could certainly make a case for it being grouped with either. There's also plenty of questions around what's content and what's structure and what's presentation. For instance, a section heading is potentially all three. I personally would probably go for grouping presentation with the content, and call structure "layout" to disambiguate it. A section heading is maybe structure, but it's definitely not layout.
- debaserab2 10y ago
  I'd be curious if there are any existing example implementations that you think demonstrate this - I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how flattening the structure would make things better. A tree node structure for mapping content seems like it'd be the most efficient in all the ways I can imagine it.
  - jdmichal 10y ago
    I suppose I'm thinking of something like ASP.NET `ContentPlaceHolder`, where you create some layout and identify holes into which the content will be placed. Except that, unlike ASP.NET and HTML, only layout elements would be permitted? This would likely be an entirely new language -- thinking of it like HTML except without text doesn't really work. Think of it more like defining panes on the screen, and the content (like HTML) is injected into those defined panes. How the panes are laid out could be accomplished through any number of methods. Absolute, flow, flex, grid, constraint solving... Or even parent panes using different methods for their sub-panes! The point isn't to flatten the layout. The layout can be as complex as desired. The point is to remove content from the layout; a named mapping is just an easy way to associate content to layout panes for injection.

The DOM is more than the proposed content map, because it also creates structure. I think the proposed idea is to basically create a structure without any content, then apply the content into that structure. The current split is CSS is presentation while HTML is content + structure. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this proposal would separate content and structure. I'm not sure where presentation would go; you could certainly make a case for it being grouped with either. There's also plenty of questions around what's content and what's structure and what's presentation. For instance, a section heading is potentially all three. I personally would probably go for grouping presentation with the content, and call structure "layout" to disambiguate it. A section heading is maybe structure, but it's definitely not layout.

debaserab2 10y ago
I'd be curious if there are any existing example implementations that you think demonstrate this - I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how flattening the structure would make things better. A tree node structure for mapping content seems like it'd be the most efficient in all the ways I can imagine it.
- jdmichal 10y ago
  I suppose I'm thinking of something like ASP.NET `ContentPlaceHolder`, where you create some layout and identify holes into which the content will be placed. Except that, unlike ASP.NET and HTML, only layout elements would be permitted? This would likely be an entirely new language -- thinking of it like HTML except without text doesn't really work. Think of it more like defining panes on the screen, and the content (like HTML) is injected into those defined panes. How the panes are laid out could be accomplished through any number of methods. Absolute, flow, flex, grid, constraint solving... Or even parent panes using different methods for their sub-panes! The point isn't to flatten the layout. The layout can be as complex as desired. The point is to remove content from the layout; a named mapping is just an easy way to associate content to layout panes for injection.