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Can you elaborate on why that position excludes the ACLU from receiving your support? I don't understand your position.

by coldpie 10y ago

marcelluspye 10y ago
Not the poster above you, but the ACLU is pro-choice, and the comment you replied to sounds to be pro-life.
- CydeWeys 10y ago
  To really spell it out, as these "pro-life/pro-choice" terms are somewhat esoteric and not always understood by foreign speakers, the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are against abortion rights.
  - grotsnot 10y ago
    A more neutral way to put it would be that the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are in favor of fetal rights.
  - coldpie 10y ago
    The terms I usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." Everyone on the planet is "pro-life" and thinks abortion is a bad thing, the question is whether outlawing abortion results in better outcomes than allowing it. I think there is room for reasonable disagreement, though legally speaking it's largely a settled issue.
    - alanh 10y ago
      That the terms you usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice" means nothing more than that your particular filter bubble is strongly pro-choice. Pro-lifers never call themselves "anti-choice"; they call themselves "pro-life." Conversely, pro-choice activists never call themselves "pro-life" (except maybe in rhetorical arguments such as the one you just provided).
    - linkregister 10y ago
      Legally speaking, the situation could change drastically based off of new composition of the U.S. Supreme Court, legislation making abortion de facto banned, or an amendment to the Constitution explicitly banning it.
    - delecti 10y ago
      I feel like you have that backwards. All evidence indicates that legal abortion results in no more abortions occurring, but those that do occur will be safer. Legally speaking there seem to be a fair number of people who want to outlaw it anyway.
    - danaliv 10y ago
      > Everyone on the planet … thinks abortion is a bad thing I think it's a pretty damn good thing when it's needed, so let's cool it with the "everyone on the planet thinks" business.
      - coldpie 10y ago
        It can be better than the alternative, but I think you would be hard pressed to have anyone say abortion is a good thing. The ideal would be no unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
        aphexbr 10y ago
        That response assumes that "unwanted pregnancies" are the only reason a woman would want an abortion. There's plenty of medical reasons why it would be necessary.
        intended 10y ago
        I believe that outside of the weirdness in America and the church, and perhaps a few religious groups a lot of people really don't care. I'd say a vast majority of people in the world aren't caught up this particular whirlpool of emotions.
ohitsdom 10y ago
Since they mentioned the womb, I'm assuming this person is pro-life. The ACLU is decidedly not pro-life. https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion
- coldpie 10y ago
  Thank you. That seems clear now, I must have mis-read their post.
- treehau5 10y ago
  Not so much pro life, as I like to disassociate myself from that hypocritical stance, but I like to call myself "whole life" or basically pro life for the whole life, from beginning to end.
  - ohitsdom 10y ago
    Same, but I still use the term "pro-life". It's my attempt to take back the term :) I'm a strange mix of conservative and liberal views, but I find myself strongly agreeing with "whole life" groups like Democrats for Life of America. https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/ https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/
    - deleted 10y ago
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dsil 10y ago
Sounds like he is anti-abortion.
- pinaceae 10y ago
  isn't it funny how you can safely conclude that it is a "he"?
  - jkingsbery 10y ago
    Right, because this is Hacker News. There are lots of pro-life women out there.
    - ksenzee 10y ago
      Being on Hacker News does not make someone a "he." (Which is a good thing. My husband and kids would be a bit taken aback otherwise.)
      - lol214365 10y ago
        https://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic-prob-precalc/v/basic-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic...
  - kevinnk 10y ago
    Women are more likely to support abortion restrictions than men. http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortion-2/ http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortio...

Can you elaborate on why that position excludes the ACLU from receiving your support? I don't understand your position.

by coldpie 10y ago

Can you elaborate on why that position excludes the ACLU from receiving your support? I don't understand your position.

marcelluspye 10y ago

Not the poster above you, but the ACLU is pro-choice, and the comment you replied to sounds to be pro-life.

CydeWeys 10y ago
To really spell it out, as these "pro-life/pro-choice" terms are somewhat esoteric and not always understood by foreign speakers, the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are against abortion rights.
- grotsnot 10y ago
  A more neutral way to put it would be that the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are in favor of fetal rights.
- coldpie 10y ago
  The terms I usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." Everyone on the planet is "pro-life" and thinks abortion is a bad thing, the question is whether outlawing abortion results in better outcomes than allowing it. I think there is room for reasonable disagreement, though legally speaking it's largely a settled issue.
  - alanh 10y ago
    That the terms you usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice" means nothing more than that your particular filter bubble is strongly pro-choice. Pro-lifers never call themselves "anti-choice"; they call themselves "pro-life." Conversely, pro-choice activists never call themselves "pro-life" (except maybe in rhetorical arguments such as the one you just provided).
  - linkregister 10y ago
    Legally speaking, the situation could change drastically based off of new composition of the U.S. Supreme Court, legislation making abortion de facto banned, or an amendment to the Constitution explicitly banning it.
  - delecti 10y ago
    I feel like you have that backwards. All evidence indicates that legal abortion results in no more abortions occurring, but those that do occur will be safer. Legally speaking there seem to be a fair number of people who want to outlaw it anyway.
  - danaliv 10y ago
    > Everyone on the planet … thinks abortion is a bad thing I think it's a pretty damn good thing when it's needed, so let's cool it with the "everyone on the planet thinks" business.
    - coldpie 10y ago
      It can be better than the alternative, but I think you would be hard pressed to have anyone say abortion is a good thing. The ideal would be no unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
      - aphexbr 10y ago
        That response assumes that "unwanted pregnancies" are the only reason a woman would want an abortion. There's plenty of medical reasons why it would be necessary.
      - intended 10y ago
        I believe that outside of the weirdness in America and the church, and perhaps a few religious groups a lot of people really don't care. I'd say a vast majority of people in the world aren't caught up this particular whirlpool of emotions.

ohitsdom 10y ago

Since they mentioned the womb, I'm assuming this person is pro-life. The ACLU is decidedly not pro-life. https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion

coldpie 10y ago
Thank you. That seems clear now, I must have mis-read their post.
treehau5 10y ago
Not so much pro life, as I like to disassociate myself from that hypocritical stance, but I like to call myself "whole life" or basically pro life for the whole life, from beginning to end.
- ohitsdom 10y ago
  Same, but I still use the term "pro-life". It's my attempt to take back the term :) I'm a strange mix of conservative and liberal views, but I find myself strongly agreeing with "whole life" groups like Democrats for Life of America. https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/ https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]

dsil 10y ago

Sounds like he is anti-abortion.

pinaceae 10y ago
isn't it funny how you can safely conclude that it is a "he"?
- jkingsbery 10y ago
  Right, because this is Hacker News. There are lots of pro-life women out there.
  - ksenzee 10y ago
    Being on Hacker News does not make someone a "he." (Which is a good thing. My husband and kids would be a bit taken aback otherwise.)
    - lol214365 10y ago
      https://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic-prob-precalc/v/basic-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic...
- kevinnk 10y ago
  Women are more likely to support abortion restrictions than men. http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortion-2/ http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortio...