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>the large number of authoritarians here. Everybody who has a different viewpoint than me is a <insert label>!

by forgetsusername 10y ago

MagnumOpus 10y ago
How would you label people who are for reducing civil liberties then?
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  I think you should provide a bit of evidence for the "large numbers" of people in favour of "reducing civil liberties" on these boards.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    Well for one, take a look at all the comments complaining that this is too political, or complaining about the dirty liberals on this site. Nearly all (not all, but nearly all) the people who are against the ACLU are the people that you're looking for.
- lol214365 10y ago
  What civil liberties? You think it is a civil liberty that foreign nationals may enter the United States?
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    It's a civil liberty that the privilege of entry is not granted in manner which amounts to state favor to, or disfavor to, a particular religion. Entry of aliens itself is not a civil liberty.
    - mjmsmith 10y ago
      From a legal standpoint. From a moral standpoint, denying entry to previously vetted residents with green cards who may have lived here legally for many years, purely on the basis of where they were born, is abhorrent. It's also the kind of thing that authoritarians don't mind at all because of their natural tendency to side with daddy over "those people".
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        > From a moral standpoint, denying entry to previously vetted residents with green cards who may have lived here legally for many years, purely on the basis of where they were born, is abhorrent. Sure, and, despite the broad authority the government Constitutionally and the executive statutorily has with respect to aliens, that aspect is quite plausibly also a civil liberties issue.
mjmsmith 10y ago
Large number isn't everybody. There are many libertarians here, and I have a different viewpoint from them too. I've just been surprised how many people turned out to be authoritarians once one got into power.
cdelsolar 10y ago
I mean, if they are supporting Trump, they are literally authoritarians.
- lol214365 10y ago
  Do elaborate

>the large number of authoritarians here. Everybody who has a different viewpoint than me is a <insert label>!

MagnumOpus 10y ago

How would you label people who are for reducing civil liberties then?

forgetsusername 10y ago
I think you should provide a bit of evidence for the "large numbers" of people in favour of "reducing civil liberties" on these boards.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Well for one, take a look at all the comments complaining that this is too political, or complaining about the dirty liberals on this site. Nearly all (not all, but nearly all) the people who are against the ACLU are the people that you're looking for.
lol214365 10y ago
What civil liberties? You think it is a civil liberty that foreign nationals may enter the United States?
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  It's a civil liberty that the privilege of entry is not granted in manner which amounts to state favor to, or disfavor to, a particular religion. Entry of aliens itself is not a civil liberty.
  - mjmsmith 10y ago
    From a legal standpoint. From a moral standpoint, denying entry to previously vetted residents with green cards who may have lived here legally for many years, purely on the basis of where they were born, is abhorrent. It's also the kind of thing that authoritarians don't mind at all because of their natural tendency to side with daddy over "those people".
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > From a moral standpoint, denying entry to previously vetted residents with green cards who may have lived here legally for many years, purely on the basis of where they were born, is abhorrent. Sure, and, despite the broad authority the government Constitutionally and the executive statutorily has with respect to aliens, that aspect is quite plausibly also a civil liberties issue.

mjmsmith 10y ago

Large number isn't everybody. There are many libertarians here, and I have a different viewpoint from them too. I've just been surprised how many people turned out to be authoritarians once one got into power.

cdelsolar 10y ago

I mean, if they are supporting Trump, they are literally authoritarians.

lol214365 10y ago
Do elaborate