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I don't donate to the ACLU because I believe in the civil rights for all people, outside the womb, and inside. Is there a similar organization I can donate to?
by treehau5 10y ago
I don't donate to the ACLU because I believe in the civil rights for all people, outside the womb, and inside. Is there a similar organization I can donate to?
- m3rc 10y agoOh, yeah there is, and you can donate here: https://action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu https://action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu
- beat 10y agoConsider the EFF. They're more narrowly focused, and unlikely to come in conflict with your beliefs. And, with a battle over Net Neutrality being almost inevitable, they could use our help, too.
- coldpie 10y agoCan you elaborate on why that position excludes the ACLU from receiving your support? I don't understand your position.
- marcelluspye 10y agoNot the poster above you, but the ACLU is pro-choice, and the comment you replied to sounds to be pro-life.
- CydeWeys 10y agoTo really spell it out, as these "pro-life/pro-choice" terms are somewhat esoteric and not always understood by foreign speakers, the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are against abortion rights.
- grotsnot 10y agoA more neutral way to put it would be that the ACLU is in favor of abortion rights and many conservatives are in favor of fetal rights.
- coldpie 10y agoThe terms I usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." Everyone on the planet is "pro-life" and thinks abortion is a bad thing, the question is whether outlawing abortion results in better outcomes than allowing it. I think there is room for reasonable disagreement, though legally speaking it's largely a settled issue.
- alanh 10y agoThat the terms you usually see are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice" means nothing more than that your particular filter bubble is strongly pro-choice. Pro-lifers never call themselves "anti-choice"; they call themselves "pro-life." Conversely, pro-choice activists never call themselves "pro-life" (except maybe in rhetorical arguments such as the one you just provided).
- linkregister 10y agoLegally speaking, the situation could change drastically based off of new composition of the U.S. Supreme Court, legislation making abortion de facto banned, or an amendment to the Constitution explicitly banning it.
- delecti 10y agoI feel like you have that backwards. All evidence indicates that legal abortion results in no more abortions occurring, but those that do occur will be safer. Legally speaking there seem to be a fair number of people who want to outlaw it anyway.
- danaliv 10y ago> Everyone on the planet … thinks abortion is a bad thing I think it's a pretty damn good thing when it's needed, so let's cool it with the "everyone on the planet thinks" business.
- coldpie 10y agoIt can be better than the alternative, but I think you would be hard pressed to have anyone say abortion is a good thing. The ideal would be no unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
- ohitsdom 10y agoSince they mentioned the womb, I'm assuming this person is pro-life. The ACLU is decidedly not pro-life. https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion
- coldpie 10y agoThank you. That seems clear now, I must have mis-read their post.
- treehau5 10y agoNot so much pro life, as I like to disassociate myself from that hypocritical stance, but I like to call myself "whole life" or basically pro life for the whole life, from beginning to end.
- ohitsdom 10y agoSame, but I still use the term "pro-life". It's my attempt to take back the term :) I'm a strange mix of conservative and liberal views, but I find myself strongly agreeing with "whole life" groups like Democrats for Life of America. https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/ https://www.facebook.com/Dems4Life/
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- dsil 10y agoSounds like he is anti-abortion.
- pinaceae 10y agoisn't it funny how you can safely conclude that it is a "he"?
- jkingsbery 10y agoRight, because this is Hacker News. There are lots of pro-life women out there.
- ksenzee 10y agoBeing on Hacker News does not make someone a "he." (Which is a good thing. My husband and kids would be a bit taken aback otherwise.)
- lol214365 10y agohttps://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic-prob-precalc/v/basic-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/precalculus/prob-comb/basic...
- kevinnk 10y agoWomen are more likely to support abortion restrictions than men. http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortion-2/ http://www.pewforum.org/2017/01/11/public-opinion-on-abortio...
- wootness 10y agoJesus, you idiots still think that banning abortion is a good idea? My god, look at the countries that do. It's a mess. Get your religion out of here, please.
- SquareWheel 10y agoPlease don't create throwaway accounts just to criticize others. I've flagged your comment.
- mikeyouse 10y agoFIRE is a higher education focused group that's probably more in line with your sensibilities. They mostly focus on 1a topics, but they do good work. https://www.thefire.org/ https://www.thefire.org/ The mission of FIRE is to defend and sustain individual rights at America's colleges and universities. These rights include freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience — the essential qualities of individual liberty and dignity. FIRE's core mission is to protect the unprotected and to educate the public and communities of concerned Americans about the threats to these rights on our campuses and about the means to preserve them.
- burkaman 10y agoIf you're referring to this specific immigration issue, the National Immigration Law Center is a good one: https://www.nilc.org/ https://www.nilc.org/
- ernestipark 10y agoThat this is being downvoted is extremely telling of the audience here. Engage in a discussion if you disagree. Downvoting unpopular opinions into oblivion is how you get a SV/liberal echo chamber.
- alanh 10y agoI strongly agree. Let’s be better than this, please.
- wootness 10y agoThere is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning abortion would result in countless problems and if people aren't willing to do the research to understand that .... downvotes are indeed required.
- lol214365 10y ago"There is no reasoning with people who don't use reason. Banning slavery causes a lot of problems. Where are all these slaves going to live? Where are they going to work? Where are the 40 acres and a mule going to come from? What if they want to return to Africa? Educate yourself before you ban obviously immoral practices. Downvotes are indeed required." This is why you lost btw.
- sctb 10y agoPlease comment civilly (this kind of misquotation is not) and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- lol214365 10y agoThe parent comment called everyone pro-life uneducated and incapable of reason; I hardly see how mocking him for it in a way that demonstrates how asinine that line of thought is is out-of-line. Yes, this is how I would respond face-to-face if someone maligned half my country.
- cdelsolar 10y agoBut inside the womb they're not people yet.
- comicjk 10y agoI appreciate that you're concerned for people inside and outside of the womb, but I think you're not paying enough attention to a third group: the people who are the womb.