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So when we were dropping bombs on them it wasn't worth making an official statement, but now that they get held up at the border for a few hours it's suddenly w

So when we were dropping bombs on them it wasn't worth making an official statement, but now that they get held up at the border for a few hours it's suddenly worth talking about? I can't think of a case where the term "Virtue Signaling" is more apt.

beaconstudios 10y ago
well, it's been reported on quite heavily that we're constantly being bombarded with fake news. Some just don't recognise that it's an issue across the political spectrum.
l8again 10y ago
Combined with the blanket ban that includes even GC holders, and a clause that due preference is given to one religion over another, along with the way its being implemented (grandmothers detained for 13 - 24 hours on valid visas) with the dark context of the candidate's campaign promise and his administration admission that they "made it legal", yes it is a Muslim ban.
- boboyo 10y ago
  No, it's not but good job reciting the talking points. There are 46 other Muslim majority countries not affected. GC holders are not affected as has been clearly stated by WH.
  - l8again 10y ago
    GC holders were included, then they weren't, and now they are on a "case by case basis". But good job prettying up the pig, though the stink is strong on this one.
jlgaddis 10y ago
Did a bunch of people just learn the term "virtue signaling" in the last few days? I don't recall seeing it spoken on here in ages but it seems I've read it 20 times in just the last few days. It reminds me of a child who learns a new, big word and then porceeds to use it in conversation (to "show off") as often as possible.
- whorleater 10y ago
  It's a newer form of calling people "SJW's" or "White Knights", thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion.
  - gthtjtkt 10y ago
    > thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion. Isn't that exactly what you're doing with this comment by comparing the term to "SJW" and "White Knight"? Pot, meet kettle.
    - whorleater 10y ago
      I wouldn't say so, I think there are legitimate criticism of people who talk without action. However, the terms "SJW"/"White Knight"/"virtue signaling" have become overburdened in their use and definition to the point where they only serve to polarize.
    - anigbrowl 10y ago
      No. One is a logical argument, the others are ad hominem attacks. You're conflating two entirely different modes of argument and claiming they're the same. Social Compiler Warning #17
- resfirestar 10y ago
  Right-wing trolls all hang out in the same subreddits and /pol/ threads, so they have a common set of talking points which inevitably take on a "flavor of the week".
  - gthtjtkt 10y ago
    Yes, anyone who calls out moral grandstanding is a right-wing troll.
    - resfirestar 10y ago
resfirestar 10y ago
(The parent comment has been edited: at the time of this comment it claimed that there was no Muslim ban, citing the absence of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. from the list.) Who's doing the "virtue signaling"? I thought that would be Trump's lackeys who keep insisting to their xenophobic fans that this is what they got when Trump asked for a Muslim ban that might pass legal muster.[0] Of course, that being what they're going for doesn't make it legal, or even likely legal: certainly Bush, and even Obama sometimes struggled to do "national security" in a manner consistent with the constitution.[1] [0] http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-t... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama

beaconstudios 10y ago

well, it's been reported on quite heavily that we're constantly being bombarded with fake news. Some just don't recognise that it's an issue across the political spectrum.

l8again 10y ago

Combined with the blanket ban that includes even GC holders, and a clause that due preference is given to one religion over another, along with the way its being implemented (grandmothers detained for 13 - 24 hours on valid visas) with the dark context of the candidate's campaign promise and his administration admission that they "made it legal", yes it is a Muslim ban.

boboyo 10y ago
No, it's not but good job reciting the talking points. There are 46 other Muslim majority countries not affected. GC holders are not affected as has been clearly stated by WH.
- l8again 10y ago
  GC holders were included, then they weren't, and now they are on a "case by case basis". But good job prettying up the pig, though the stink is strong on this one.

jlgaddis 10y ago

Did a bunch of people just learn the term "virtue signaling" in the last few days? I don't recall seeing it spoken on here in ages but it seems I've read it 20 times in just the last few days. It reminds me of a child who learns a new, big word and then porceeds to use it in conversation (to "show off") as often as possible.

whorleater 10y ago
It's a newer form of calling people "SJW's" or "White Knights", thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion.
- gthtjtkt 10y ago
  > thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion. Isn't that exactly what you're doing with this comment by comparing the term to "SJW" and "White Knight"? Pot, meet kettle.
  - whorleater 10y ago
    I wouldn't say so, I think there are legitimate criticism of people who talk without action. However, the terms "SJW"/"White Knight"/"virtue signaling" have become overburdened in their use and definition to the point where they only serve to polarize.
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    No. One is a logical argument, the others are ad hominem attacks. You're conflating two entirely different modes of argument and claiming they're the same. Social Compiler Warning #17
resfirestar 10y ago
Right-wing trolls all hang out in the same subreddits and /pol/ threads, so they have a common set of talking points which inevitably take on a "flavor of the week".
- gthtjtkt 10y ago
  Yes, anyone who calls out moral grandstanding is a right-wing troll.
  - resfirestar 10y ago

resfirestar 10y ago

(The parent comment has been edited: at the time of this comment it claimed that there was no Muslim ban, citing the absence of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. from the list.) Who's doing the "virtue signaling"? I thought that would be Trump's lackeys who keep insisting to their xenophobic fans that this is what they got when Trump asked for a Muslim ban that might pass legal muster.[0] Of course, that being what they're going for doesn't make it legal, or even likely legal: certainly Bush, and even Obama sometimes struggled to do "national security" in a manner consistent with the constitution.[1] [0] http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-t... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama