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BoorishBears 10y ago
Not the above poster, but every time I mention problems I'm having with Linux to a Linux fan all I get is a mix of: "Oh well yeah, that's a little broken but that's a 5 minute fix!" x 100; "Yeah, that sucks but there next version of (Gnome/Wayland/switching distros/getting less problematic hardware) should fix that" x 50; And "I'm not saying PEBKAC... but maybe PEBKAC". So I don't bother anymore.
- AsyncAwait 10y ago
  This is again very generic, but while this may be true to a certain extent, the view from the other side is that the expectations for Linux vs Windows are nowhere near the same. Linux is for some reason expected to behave perfectly, while Windows routinely screws with audio, borks updates etc. and nobody calls it unusable on the desktop or similar, another thing - most of these kinds of posters just refuse to read or understand the Linux way of doing things and try to apply their Windows mentality to Linux and if it doesn't work the same way, complain. But in general if you have a question that is not worded in the Linux sucks! sort of way you'll get tons of great help.
  - BoorishBears 10y ago
    >Linux is for some reason expected to behave perfectly, while Windows routinely screws with audio, borks updates etc. and nobody calls it unusable on the desktop or similar, another thing - most of these kinds of posters just refuse to read or understand the Linux way of doing things and try to apply their Windows mentality to Linux and if it doesn't work the same way, complain. I mean... generalizing people who use Windows in such an unflattering light certainly doesn't help anyone (or thier views of the Linux community). When any user complains about Windows they usually get an "amen", but suddenly when a Windows user has a problem with Linux it's because "they're trying to apply their Windows mentality"? So when people complain about how cmd.exe sucks, should I tell them "Shed your Linux mentality and use the GUI" instead of pointing out Powershell and WSL? Windows and Linux have their warts. I don't think anyone holds Linux to any unreasonable standard compared to Windows (I mean we're at a stage where people are still impressed when a stock Ubuntu install supports all their hardware because it wasn't that long ago that was something taken for granted). I generally don't try to treat Linux as primarily a desktop OS because it doesn't do that as well (for me) as it does as an OS running in embedded settings and servers, and I generally think that's ok, it doesn't have to excel at everything.
rpeden 10y ago
The main issue I've run into is having a high DPI 4k monitor as my primary display, and a 1920 x 1080 monitor as my secondary display. In the past, I've have been happy to tinker a bit to make it work, but these days I'm busy working, so I want my display setup to just work out of the box. Ubuntu is close, but 16.10 applies the scale factor from the 4k display to the secondary display as well, so things don't look very good on the secondary screen. It just works without fuss on Windows 10, so I tend to just run Win10, even though I prefer the look and feel of several different Linux desktop environments. The Win10 linux subsystem has been good enough so far than even ruby and rails development is painless - whereas before I used to run into some minor but annoying issues. My Linux desktop experience is far from terrible - these days, I just fire up a Win10 or Linux VM and full-screen it on my secondary display and just use it for running a browser to look up documentation and other such things. In doing things that way, I'll end up with proper DPI scaling on both screens. But it adds enough friction to the process that I usually won't bother with it until I get sick of the Windows look and feel and want to look at something different for a few days. I realize my use case is probably atypical, but it as least serves as an example of a non-seamless Linux desktop experience.
- zumu 10y ago
  I've heard fedora 25 does a good job of applying different scales to different monitors out of the box. > 16.10 applies the scale factor from the 4k display to the secondary display as well Though not surfaced in the UI, easy enough to fix with this with xrandr. This SO question solves a similar problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have-two-different-dpi-configurations-for-two-different-screen http://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have...

Not the above poster, but every time I mention problems I'm having with Linux to a Linux fan all I get is a mix of: "Oh well yeah, that's a little broken but that's a 5 minute fix!" x 100; "Yeah, that sucks but there next version of (Gnome/Wayland/switching distros/getting less problematic hardware) should fix that" x 50; And "I'm not saying PEBKAC... but maybe PEBKAC". So I don't bother anymore.

AsyncAwait 10y ago
This is again very generic, but while this may be true to a certain extent, the view from the other side is that the expectations for Linux vs Windows are nowhere near the same. Linux is for some reason expected to behave perfectly, while Windows routinely screws with audio, borks updates etc. and nobody calls it unusable on the desktop or similar, another thing - most of these kinds of posters just refuse to read or understand the Linux way of doing things and try to apply their Windows mentality to Linux and if it doesn't work the same way, complain. But in general if you have a question that is not worded in the Linux sucks! sort of way you'll get tons of great help.
- BoorishBears 10y ago
  >Linux is for some reason expected to behave perfectly, while Windows routinely screws with audio, borks updates etc. and nobody calls it unusable on the desktop or similar, another thing - most of these kinds of posters just refuse to read or understand the Linux way of doing things and try to apply their Windows mentality to Linux and if it doesn't work the same way, complain. I mean... generalizing people who use Windows in such an unflattering light certainly doesn't help anyone (or thier views of the Linux community). When any user complains about Windows they usually get an "amen", but suddenly when a Windows user has a problem with Linux it's because "they're trying to apply their Windows mentality"? So when people complain about how cmd.exe sucks, should I tell them "Shed your Linux mentality and use the GUI" instead of pointing out Powershell and WSL? Windows and Linux have their warts. I don't think anyone holds Linux to any unreasonable standard compared to Windows (I mean we're at a stage where people are still impressed when a stock Ubuntu install supports all their hardware because it wasn't that long ago that was something taken for granted). I generally don't try to treat Linux as primarily a desktop OS because it doesn't do that as well (for me) as it does as an OS running in embedded settings and servers, and I generally think that's ok, it doesn't have to excel at everything.

rpeden 10y ago

The main issue I've run into is having a high DPI 4k monitor as my primary display, and a 1920 x 1080 monitor as my secondary display. In the past, I've have been happy to tinker a bit to make it work, but these days I'm busy working, so I want my display setup to just work out of the box. Ubuntu is close, but 16.10 applies the scale factor from the 4k display to the secondary display as well, so things don't look very good on the secondary screen. It just works without fuss on Windows 10, so I tend to just run Win10, even though I prefer the look and feel of several different Linux desktop environments. The Win10 linux subsystem has been good enough so far than even ruby and rails development is painless - whereas before I used to run into some minor but annoying issues. My Linux desktop experience is far from terrible - these days, I just fire up a Win10 or Linux VM and full-screen it on my secondary display and just use it for running a browser to look up documentation and other such things. In doing things that way, I'll end up with proper DPI scaling on both screens. But it adds enough friction to the process that I usually won't bother with it until I get sick of the Windows look and feel and want to look at something different for a few days. I realize my use case is probably atypical, but it as least serves as an example of a non-seamless Linux desktop experience.

zumu 10y ago
I've heard fedora 25 does a good job of applying different scales to different monitors out of the box. > 16.10 applies the scale factor from the 4k display to the secondary display as well Though not surfaced in the UI, easy enough to fix with this with xrandr. This SO question solves a similar problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have-two-different-dpi-configurations-for-two-different-screen http://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have...