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> I've had less trouble with drivers than I had with Linux. I'd be interested to hear what kind of problems you had with Linux drivers on a desktop, that isn'

> I've had less trouble with drivers than I had with Linux. I'd be interested to hear what kind of problems you had with Linux drivers on a desktop, that isn't something most of us, Linux users, had major problems with for almost a decade. Even Pascal GPUs are supported, unlike on a Hackintosh.

pavanky 10y ago
There's no reasoning with some folks..
- jeron 10y ago
  something something mac fanboys
kkielhofner 10y ago
It would be really nice if there was a stable, maintained, and officially supported virtual machine implementation for OS X. I have an insane desktop running Linux that can do anything and everything I need. However, if my needs suddenly expanded to include occasional Photoshop use (for example) I'd have to pull out my Macbook Pro. Yes, in my case I also have a Windows 10 VM for occasional use (probably Photoshop, don't know) but I'd much prefer OS X. I understand why a Mac OS X virtual machine might not be completely compatible with Apple's overall business model but perhaps something available through the Apple developer program? Something, anything, would be nice.
- thatcat 10y ago
  This [0] tracks issues for a vagrant macOS setup. Not official, but its technically allowed if you already own a mac that runs the version you want. [0]https://github.com/AndrewDryga/vagrant-box-osx https://github.com/AndrewDryga/vagrant-box-osx
  - bostand 10y ago
    I can confirm this works reasonably well and includes xcode and some other stuff IIRC.
- mschuster91 10y ago
  > It would be really nice if there was a stable, maintained, and officially supported virtual machine implementation for OS X. I believe that there's a DLL patcher for Windows VMware that allows OS X guests. Back when I tried it last time, it worked nicely but then again I only used it for creating USB install media for repairing / reinstalling broken Macs and didn't require stuff like high-performance USB or GPU acceleration.
simooooo 10y ago
Nvidia drivers making the display go black on boot still happens every time
hysan 10y ago
Not the OP, but since I have the attention of someone who seems confident, here is the problem I have with Linux GPU drivers. I have a desktop that's been running strong for over half a decade with Windows 7: core i7-920, dual GeForce GTS 250 graphics card (identical, no SLI bridge). It's hooked up to 3 monitors with 2 on the first card, and 1 on the second. On Windows, this works completely fine. On Linux however, I only have one ancient version of Linux Mint Debian Edition with an old version of the Nvidia drivers working. But only in a configuration where each screen is a separate X session, so no moving windows across monitors. That's fine by me, but I don't use this install anymore because everything is out of date. On any recent distro of Linux, the default is to use Nouveau drivers which can get all screens to activate after messing with the configurations. BUT, I either run into screen flickering, invisible mouse cursor, instability, or poor performance. That is issue #1. My thinking is ok, back to Nvidia drivers. They install fine, but I cannot get any combination of settings to activate all 3 screens either as one X session (third screen never works) or as separate X sessions like in my old install (depending on the DE I choose, either no DE is launched on the other monitors, or they do launch but the only way to run programs on the other X sessions is to manually configure the DISPLAY value to those screens and launch the program in a terminal). Ignoring the fact that I had to give up on using the GUI configuration programs and edit xorg files like I was back in the 2000s, can you figure out a way to get my environment working in a sane manner?
- tetraodonpuffer 10y ago
  I think you are mixing things up, if like you say > as separate X sessions like in my old install (depending on the DE I choose, either no DE is launched on the other monitors, or they do launch but the only way to run programs on the other X sessions is to manually configure the DISPLAY value to those screens and launch the program in a terminal). the issue is not with the drivers, but with whatever DE you want to use. Since the vast, vast majority of people nowadays do not run multiple X screens, there isn't a lot of interest on the part of desktop environment coders to get them working (also because likely they don't have that hardware themselves and so can't try it either) I personally also run two separate nvidia cards with two separate X screens on them, I run i3 but have had to patch several things to get it to work well enough for myself, it was doable for me to patch i3 due to having spent many years deep into X11/Xt way back, but definitely not something the average user could do and not something useful enough to a large enough number of people to warrant including in it for everybody A desktop environment coded to expect that it's run once per computer in general won't like being launched twice in parallel (one for each screen), if you want something easy I suggest doing something like running KDE on your primary card and Gnome on the other: you will very likely have to mess with your .xinitrc to launch each separately on :0.0 and :0.1 but it should be doable
sgt101 10y ago
Last time I tried to convert to ubuntu on a top end HP notebook I had display, camera, fingerprint and trackpad driver roadblocks (two years ago, but not a decade). I had a roadblock on a 10 point multitouch screen this year.
- trome 10y ago
  Huh, I've had no troubles with HP AIOs running Debian Jessie, touchscreen works, so do the capacitive buttons controlling screen brightness/volume, and dual monitor works fine on everything (VGA, DVI, HDMI) except displayport.
seanp2k2 10y ago
On a Dell XPS 15 9550: - Trackpad is awful and all the synaptics software and tweaks and configs I've tried can't make it work half as well as a MBP trackpad - graphics switching + sleep + power brick replugging + lid closing doesn't work ever - high power usage unless powertop --autotune is run, which breaks USB replugging and causes more havoc with sleep - mfg defect with the ribbon cable under the space bar causing the space bar to be almost unusable. Required a new keyboard and me tearing the whole thing apart to fix The screen is gorgeous though (thin bezels + 4K IGZO + capacitive touch which I don't need) and the hinge works well even when touching it. Build quality is OK but not micron-level perfect like MBPs (the seam where the metal meets the bottom shell is off by a tiny bit and catches my finger). The power brick is bigger than an MBP equivalent and they're not ubiquitous as the MagSafe2s now are. Having real USB ports is nice, since I hate the USB dongle I have Velcro'd to the USB-C power cable for the tbMBP. It also doesn't run Mac OS, which FWIW on the 2016 tbMBP fares about as well as the Dell with re-plugging two 4K DP USB alt-mode adapters -- I end up hard-powering the MBP >50% of the time since the internal displays and external displays won't show anything, even though the stupid touch bar lights up. I got the Dell used on eBay for about half of retail, which is about what I consider it to be worth, while I consider the 2015 rMBP to be worth ~$1600 and the 2016 tbMBP much less.

pavanky 10y ago

There's no reasoning with some folks..

jeron 10y ago
something something mac fanboys

kkielhofner 10y ago

It would be really nice if there was a stable, maintained, and officially supported virtual machine implementation for OS X. I have an insane desktop running Linux that can do anything and everything I need. However, if my needs suddenly expanded to include occasional Photoshop use (for example) I'd have to pull out my Macbook Pro. Yes, in my case I also have a Windows 10 VM for occasional use (probably Photoshop, don't know) but I'd much prefer OS X. I understand why a Mac OS X virtual machine might not be completely compatible with Apple's overall business model but perhaps something available through the Apple developer program? Something, anything, would be nice.

thatcat 10y ago
This [0] tracks issues for a vagrant macOS setup. Not official, but its technically allowed if you already own a mac that runs the version you want. [0]https://github.com/AndrewDryga/vagrant-box-osx https://github.com/AndrewDryga/vagrant-box-osx
- bostand 10y ago
  I can confirm this works reasonably well and includes xcode and some other stuff IIRC.
mschuster91 10y ago
> It would be really nice if there was a stable, maintained, and officially supported virtual machine implementation for OS X. I believe that there's a DLL patcher for Windows VMware that allows OS X guests. Back when I tried it last time, it worked nicely but then again I only used it for creating USB install media for repairing / reinstalling broken Macs and didn't require stuff like high-performance USB or GPU acceleration.

simooooo 10y ago

Nvidia drivers making the display go black on boot still happens every time

hysan 10y ago

Not the OP, but since I have the attention of someone who seems confident, here is the problem I have with Linux GPU drivers. I have a desktop that's been running strong for over half a decade with Windows 7: core i7-920, dual GeForce GTS 250 graphics card (identical, no SLI bridge). It's hooked up to 3 monitors with 2 on the first card, and 1 on the second. On Windows, this works completely fine. On Linux however, I only have one ancient version of Linux Mint Debian Edition with an old version of the Nvidia drivers working. But only in a configuration where each screen is a separate X session, so no moving windows across monitors. That's fine by me, but I don't use this install anymore because everything is out of date. On any recent distro of Linux, the default is to use Nouveau drivers which can get all screens to activate after messing with the configurations. BUT, I either run into screen flickering, invisible mouse cursor, instability, or poor performance. That is issue #1. My thinking is ok, back to Nvidia drivers. They install fine, but I cannot get any combination of settings to activate all 3 screens either as one X session (third screen never works) or as separate X sessions like in my old install (depending on the DE I choose, either no DE is launched on the other monitors, or they do launch but the only way to run programs on the other X sessions is to manually configure the DISPLAY value to those screens and launch the program in a terminal). Ignoring the fact that I had to give up on using the GUI configuration programs and edit xorg files like I was back in the 2000s, can you figure out a way to get my environment working in a sane manner?

tetraodonpuffer 10y ago
I think you are mixing things up, if like you say > as separate X sessions like in my old install (depending on the DE I choose, either no DE is launched on the other monitors, or they do launch but the only way to run programs on the other X sessions is to manually configure the DISPLAY value to those screens and launch the program in a terminal). the issue is not with the drivers, but with whatever DE you want to use. Since the vast, vast majority of people nowadays do not run multiple X screens, there isn't a lot of interest on the part of desktop environment coders to get them working (also because likely they don't have that hardware themselves and so can't try it either) I personally also run two separate nvidia cards with two separate X screens on them, I run i3 but have had to patch several things to get it to work well enough for myself, it was doable for me to patch i3 due to having spent many years deep into X11/Xt way back, but definitely not something the average user could do and not something useful enough to a large enough number of people to warrant including in it for everybody A desktop environment coded to expect that it's run once per computer in general won't like being launched twice in parallel (one for each screen), if you want something easy I suggest doing something like running KDE on your primary card and Gnome on the other: you will very likely have to mess with your .xinitrc to launch each separately on :0.0 and :0.1 but it should be doable

sgt101 10y ago

Last time I tried to convert to ubuntu on a top end HP notebook I had display, camera, fingerprint and trackpad driver roadblocks (two years ago, but not a decade). I had a roadblock on a 10 point multitouch screen this year.

trome 10y ago
Huh, I've had no troubles with HP AIOs running Debian Jessie, touchscreen works, so do the capacitive buttons controlling screen brightness/volume, and dual monitor works fine on everything (VGA, DVI, HDMI) except displayport.

seanp2k2 10y ago

On a Dell XPS 15 9550: - Trackpad is awful and all the synaptics software and tweaks and configs I've tried can't make it work half as well as a MBP trackpad - graphics switching + sleep + power brick replugging + lid closing doesn't work ever - high power usage unless powertop --autotune is run, which breaks USB replugging and causes more havoc with sleep - mfg defect with the ribbon cable under the space bar causing the space bar to be almost unusable. Required a new keyboard and me tearing the whole thing apart to fix The screen is gorgeous though (thin bezels + 4K IGZO + capacitive touch which I don't need) and the hinge works well even when touching it. Build quality is OK but not micron-level perfect like MBPs (the seam where the metal meets the bottom shell is off by a tiny bit and catches my finger). The power brick is bigger than an MBP equivalent and they're not ubiquitous as the MagSafe2s now are. Having real USB ports is nice, since I hate the USB dongle I have Velcro'd to the USB-C power cable for the tbMBP. It also doesn't run Mac OS, which FWIW on the 2016 tbMBP fares about as well as the Dell with re-plugging two 4K DP USB alt-mode adapters -- I end up hard-powering the MBP >50% of the time since the internal displays and external displays won't show anything, even though the stupid touch bar lights up. I got the Dell used on eBay for about half of retail, which is about what I consider it to be worth, while I consider the 2015 rMBP to be worth ~$1600 and the 2016 tbMBP much less.