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Let's hope you are not in a life/death situation later in your life where you get some disease for which treatment could have been available earlier if that for

by readhn 10y ago

Let's hope you are not in a life/death situation later in your life where you get some disease for which treatment could have been available earlier if that foreign student was "allowed" to stay and do the work in the USA... All because of some delusional billionaire who is allowed (by us) to play his real life monopoly game.

angry_octet 10y ago
The lack of graduate jobs in biology is one of the reasons why fewer Americans choose to study in the area, and often rapidly leave the field after graduation, usually with a massive student debt. Its extremely hostile to women, a career break is a career end. Its typical of America's decline in STEM fields. So the system is so fundamentally broken it needs massive re-engineering. I don't think the trumpists have a clue about how to do it, nor care, but their magic 8-ball approach to reform will have an impact.
muninn_ 10y ago
Yeah, if only they came to the USA, received an incredible education, and then went back to where they came from and helped that country find or administer treatments for basic diseases that kill people in other countries.
- arcticbull 10y ago
  received one of the most expensive educations in the world that effectively requires working in a first-world country to pay off after.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    That's something to consider before matriculation. It's just as much a problem for Americans as it is for foreigners, so sympathy might be hard to find...
    - arcticbull 10y ago
      The difference of course is that if you come to a US university expecting to make US wages afterwards, that's one thing. If you suddenly get sent back to a third-world country, that's a totally different thing. The problem is America has effectively been selling these people a false bill of goods.
      - jessaustin 10y ago
        Has "America" been selling anything? Other than a few private schools like Boston University who view "international" students as their meal tickets, everyone here is largely indifferent to their presence. Meanwhile there are e.g. Chinese government programs to maximize Chinese study in USA.
jessaustin 10y ago
Let's hope we don't see any more of these ridiculous hypothetical, Rube Goldberg karma, curses disguised as well-wishes here on HN. All because Trump trolling has addled our brains to the point we can only perceive our own apocalyptic fever dreams.
PeterisP 10y ago
As there is a shortage of jobs and overabundance of students, some of these students not being allowed to stay is not going to decrease the amount of people working in research.
pkaye 10y ago
But every decision made could have such a consequence. The US is still a more diverse country than most others with bright people everywhere. The universities have only so many space to accommodate students. We have no way to predict the future success of anyone. How can you not say in the same way that admitting a foreign student results in someone else local being denied an education who was "destined" to cure some disease?

by readhn 10y ago

angry_octet 10y ago

The lack of graduate jobs in biology is one of the reasons why fewer Americans choose to study in the area, and often rapidly leave the field after graduation, usually with a massive student debt. Its extremely hostile to women, a career break is a career end. Its typical of America's decline in STEM fields. So the system is so fundamentally broken it needs massive re-engineering. I don't think the trumpists have a clue about how to do it, nor care, but their magic 8-ball approach to reform will have an impact.

muninn_ 10y ago

Yeah, if only they came to the USA, received an incredible education, and then went back to where they came from and helped that country find or administer treatments for basic diseases that kill people in other countries.

arcticbull 10y ago
received one of the most expensive educations in the world that effectively requires working in a first-world country to pay off after.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  That's something to consider before matriculation. It's just as much a problem for Americans as it is for foreigners, so sympathy might be hard to find...
  - arcticbull 10y ago
    The difference of course is that if you come to a US university expecting to make US wages afterwards, that's one thing. If you suddenly get sent back to a third-world country, that's a totally different thing. The problem is America has effectively been selling these people a false bill of goods.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      Has "America" been selling anything? Other than a few private schools like Boston University who view "international" students as their meal tickets, everyone here is largely indifferent to their presence. Meanwhile there are e.g. Chinese government programs to maximize Chinese study in USA.

jessaustin 10y ago

Let's hope we don't see any more of these ridiculous hypothetical, Rube Goldberg karma, curses disguised as well-wishes here on HN. All because Trump trolling has addled our brains to the point we can only perceive our own apocalyptic fever dreams.

PeterisP 10y ago

As there is a shortage of jobs and overabundance of students, some of these students not being allowed to stay is not going to decrease the amount of people working in research.

pkaye 10y ago

But every decision made could have such a consequence. The US is still a more diverse country than most others with bright people everywhere. The universities have only so many space to accommodate students. We have no way to predict the future success of anyone. How can you not say in the same way that admitting a foreign student results in someone else local being denied an education who was "destined" to cure some disease?