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Max Klein's top secret private mailing list

19 points by mshafrir 16y ago

sperry 16y ago
Seriously? What can this guy possibly share privately that he can't mention publicly? Is he really going to give some special insights that a reader can benefit from to his detriment? Or, does his altruism have some other, hidden agenda? I, for one, think this guy is a master troll. I can't believe that many HNers are not cynical enough to call him out on his feigned success. Specifically, Andrew Warner wants to interview him? For what? Why give him a platform if he has no apparent accomplishments worthy of such an audience?
- wgj 16y ago
  Yes, a master troll. After numerous people have questioned Max Klein's questionable claims, he posted this to HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692 So I bit, and sent this email: Hi Max, I'm one of the curious people who'd like to accept your offer to share more specific information about your current business and products. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692) Thanks for your willingness to share this. Best regards, Walt Gordon Jones http://waltgordonjones.com/ And eventually got this canned response, which I assume everyone else whose email address he skimmed also received: Hi Guys, I'm facing some difficulty here. I have more than 120 requests to reveal my business secrets and this is a bit much, particularly with some shady looking email addresses (I'm talking about you hungry_for_money1987). But of course, I don't want to seem like a fraud, so what I've done is sent the details of my business to 20 names who are people that I either already know or are working in some prominent startup. For the rest of you, you get to see the details in August. Add yourself to my mailing list at http://maxkle.in Add to this the fact that Max Klein has boasted before about his ability to game HN'ers. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1039080 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1039080) So, Max Klein, here is my reply. I think you rate somewhere below 2/10 on the authenticity scale, and although your output is high on HN, the value you contribute pales in comparison to other visible members here. This will truly be a better place when you are discovered for who you are. Finally: No, my email response to your fake offer does not constitute permission to spam me with a solicitation for your email list.
  - icey 16y ago
    Max sent me "the other" email, and I can verify that his claims (at least the claims of having many sales on the app store) are true. Looking through the applications that he listed, I can see why he wasn't interested in sharing the details of his business with a bunch of strangers. Honestly, his success looks like it's the product of a ton of labor rather than luck or trickery. If I had gotten the email you got, then I probably would have a similar opinion. I wasn't going to mention anything about it but I think it's only fair to Max that someone say that he's provided the data to back up his claims. As an aside, please consider this from Max's perspective (and he tried to explain it in the email you got) - he makes his money from a replicable business model; and one that he ramped up in a few month's time. With a flood of people asking for the details on the business model, he opted to give himself some buffer time before explaining everything. Additionally, in the email you received there was a short list of names that he told you he did send the information to; instead of besmirching him here, you could have emailed any one of them to verify his claims. I know it's frustrating to have incomplete information, but please try to maintain some civility. I hope we can give the drama a rest for a little while; he's given up a lot more information than I think most people here would.
    - wgj 16y ago
      I appreciate your reply, and all the points you make. My issue is not with how much information he shares. We all have that right. My issue is with a very smart person who knowingly offers to share information he has no real intent to share. That's at least disingenuous.
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ax0n 16y ago
Max who?
- thunk 16y ago
  Max Klein. It's in the title, Duh!
  - ax0n 16y ago
    Well, yeah... but it's some dude I've never heard of who thinks he's somehow important enough that a significant subset of hackers should have heard of him. Cursory Googling shows he's "The cube of M" guy, and I couldn't care less.
blackwoodHolt 16y ago
I have neither requested nor received any emails from "Max Klein" these finding are a result of simple google searches. Max Klein does not exist. He is an identity created by Mark Essien (www.essien.org). Mark Essien has two companies registered in the UK one "Qubikle Development LTD" (www.qubikle.com)and a second "Feather & Moor, Ltd" (www.feathermoor.com). The namesakes of Feather & Moor are Joel Feather and Tracy Moor. BOTH of these individuals don't exist, they are again creations of Mark Essien. The pictures used for Joel are taken from istockphoto (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-1997908-waiting-for-you.php http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-1997908-waiting-for-y...) whois results for maxkle.in and markessien.com have the same telephone number. Feather & Moor, Ltd has approaching nearly 300 applications on the appstore. These apps are "cookie cutter" apps that contain pictures and simple text. The signing identity on the applications names qubikle. A cursory googling of the text in the screenshots of some of the applications reveals that text is taken from wikipedia and other pages without attribution. OPINION: I don't know what the contents of the "other" email was but looking at the apps from "feather & moor ltd" it doesn't strike me that these are wonderful apps of substance targeting niches but instead low quality keyword targeted cookie cutter apps using content without permission.
- starkfist 16y ago
  This is kind of cool, like the weird, dark underbelly of app store success. FREAKISH ANIMAL HYBRIDS, 99c: "Have you ever seen a dog with the head of a bird? Or a frog with the body of a shark?" FACEBOOK STATUSES YOUR FRIENDS WILL LIKE, 99c: "Do you wish to be a bit more interesting on facebook, and not just be the dude saying “I’m bored”? This app contains status messages that will amuse your friends, and that will definitely get you a lot of “likes” from the prettiest girls (or guys) in your friends list. Don’t believe me? A friend of mine, Dave, has been using these messages, and at least 2 people have told how creative and funny Dave has become recently! Well, good for you Dave, now how about telling them it was all due to this app?" It's like the ads in the back of old comic books for sneezing powder or pamphlets about how to be popular.
  - blackwoodHolt 16y ago
    I just wonder what the reasoning is behind making up all these identities.

19 points by mshafrir 16y ago

Seriously? What can this guy possibly share privately that he can't mention publicly? Is he really going to give some special insights that a reader can benefit from to his detriment? Or, does his altruism have some other, hidden agenda? I, for one, think this guy is a master troll. I can't believe that many HNers are not cynical enough to call him out on his feigned success. Specifically, Andrew Warner wants to interview him? For what? Why give him a platform if he has no apparent accomplishments worthy of such an audience?

wgj 16y ago
Yes, a master troll. After numerous people have questioned Max Klein's questionable claims, he posted this to HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692 So I bit, and sent this email: Hi Max, I'm one of the curious people who'd like to accept your offer to share more specific information about your current business and products. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1345692) Thanks for your willingness to share this. Best regards, Walt Gordon Jones http://waltgordonjones.com/ And eventually got this canned response, which I assume everyone else whose email address he skimmed also received: Hi Guys, I'm facing some difficulty here. I have more than 120 requests to reveal my business secrets and this is a bit much, particularly with some shady looking email addresses (I'm talking about you hungry_for_money1987). But of course, I don't want to seem like a fraud, so what I've done is sent the details of my business to 20 names who are people that I either already know or are working in some prominent startup. For the rest of you, you get to see the details in August. Add yourself to my mailing list at http://maxkle.in Add to this the fact that Max Klein has boasted before about his ability to game HN'ers. (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1039080 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1039080) So, Max Klein, here is my reply. I think you rate somewhere below 2/10 on the authenticity scale, and although your output is high on HN, the value you contribute pales in comparison to other visible members here. This will truly be a better place when you are discovered for who you are. Finally: No, my email response to your fake offer does not constitute permission to spam me with a solicitation for your email list.
- icey 16y ago
  Max sent me "the other" email, and I can verify that his claims (at least the claims of having many sales on the app store) are true. Looking through the applications that he listed, I can see why he wasn't interested in sharing the details of his business with a bunch of strangers. Honestly, his success looks like it's the product of a ton of labor rather than luck or trickery. If I had gotten the email you got, then I probably would have a similar opinion. I wasn't going to mention anything about it but I think it's only fair to Max that someone say that he's provided the data to back up his claims. As an aside, please consider this from Max's perspective (and he tried to explain it in the email you got) - he makes his money from a replicable business model; and one that he ramped up in a few month's time. With a flood of people asking for the details on the business model, he opted to give himself some buffer time before explaining everything. Additionally, in the email you received there was a short list of names that he told you he did send the information to; instead of besmirching him here, you could have emailed any one of them to verify his claims. I know it's frustrating to have incomplete information, but please try to maintain some civility. I hope we can give the drama a rest for a little while; he's given up a lot more information than I think most people here would.
  - wgj 16y ago
    I appreciate your reply, and all the points you make. My issue is not with how much information he shares. We all have that right. My issue is with a very smart person who knowingly offers to share information he has no real intent to share. That's at least disingenuous.
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ax0n 16y ago

Max who?

thunk 16y ago
Max Klein. It's in the title, Duh!
- ax0n 16y ago
  Well, yeah... but it's some dude I've never heard of who thinks he's somehow important enough that a significant subset of hackers should have heard of him. Cursory Googling shows he's "The cube of M" guy, and I couldn't care less.

blackwoodHolt 16y ago

I have neither requested nor received any emails from "Max Klein" these finding are a result of simple google searches. Max Klein does not exist. He is an identity created by Mark Essien (www.essien.org). Mark Essien has two companies registered in the UK one "Qubikle Development LTD" (www.qubikle.com)and a second "Feather & Moor, Ltd" (www.feathermoor.com). The namesakes of Feather & Moor are Joel Feather and Tracy Moor. BOTH of these individuals don't exist, they are again creations of Mark Essien. The pictures used for Joel are taken from istockphoto (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-1997908-waiting-for-you.php http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-1997908-waiting-for-y...) whois results for maxkle.in and markessien.com have the same telephone number. Feather & Moor, Ltd has approaching nearly 300 applications on the appstore. These apps are "cookie cutter" apps that contain pictures and simple text. The signing identity on the applications names qubikle. A cursory googling of the text in the screenshots of some of the applications reveals that text is taken from wikipedia and other pages without attribution. OPINION: I don't know what the contents of the "other" email was but looking at the apps from "feather & moor ltd" it doesn't strike me that these are wonderful apps of substance targeting niches but instead low quality keyword targeted cookie cutter apps using content without permission.

starkfist 16y ago
This is kind of cool, like the weird, dark underbelly of app store success. FREAKISH ANIMAL HYBRIDS, 99c: "Have you ever seen a dog with the head of a bird? Or a frog with the body of a shark?" FACEBOOK STATUSES YOUR FRIENDS WILL LIKE, 99c: "Do you wish to be a bit more interesting on facebook, and not just be the dude saying “I’m bored”? This app contains status messages that will amuse your friends, and that will definitely get you a lot of “likes” from the prettiest girls (or guys) in your friends list. Don’t believe me? A friend of mine, Dave, has been using these messages, and at least 2 people have told how creative and funny Dave has become recently! Well, good for you Dave, now how about telling them it was all due to this app?" It's like the ads in the back of old comic books for sneezing powder or pamphlets about how to be popular.
- blackwoodHolt 16y ago
  I just wonder what the reasoning is behind making up all these identities.