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Aren't the data centers technically owned by Amazon Ireland for compliance (cough tax) reasons? Amazon clearly state that data never moves out of the region.

by beejiu 10y ago

Freak_NL 10y ago
As long as Amazon has a US presence, it, and the data is hosts, is within legal reach of US judges and government.
- Veratyr 10y ago
  This isn't yet decided. Microsoft and the DoJ are still arguing about this in the court system, which so far has ruled that the US government cannot compel Microsoft to release data it holds in Ireland. It's currently waiting for the DoJ to decide whether to take it to the Supreme Court: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/microsoft-data-broad-appeals-court-234098 http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/micros...
  - beejiu 10y ago
    Even if the DoJ did make it law, it would surely conflict with law that the Irish domiciled entity is subject to.
    - ci5er 10y ago
      Penalties for the US-based domestic entity to compel compliance of the off-shore entity would fall onto the domestic entity. The off-shore entity ALSO has to comply with whatever local regulatory regime they fall under. Unlinking the two companies completely might satisfy what you appear to be angling for, but it would be, in essence, a potential competitor to Amazon at that point.
- beejiu 10y ago
  That sounds very dangerous. What would happen if Amazon simply had a 99% share, but 1% was held by another purely Irish company. Amazon might elect the board and the subsidiary might 'lease' intellectual property and capital from the parent company, but I don't see how you could argue it is subject to US law in any way.
EwanToo 10y ago
Not as far as I know. Microsoft have gone as far with Azure in Germany to sign an agreement where T-Systems own the data and the systems and Microsoft are simply a contractor supplying a service to them. http://news.microsoft.com/europe/2016/09/21/microsoft-azure-germany-now-available-via-innovative-first-of-a-kind-cloud-model-for-europe/ http://news.microsoft.com/europe/2016/09/21/microsoft-azure-...

Aren't the data centers technically owned by Amazon Ireland for compliance (cough tax) reasons? Amazon clearly state that data never moves out of the region.

by beejiu 10y ago

Aren't the data centers technically owned by Amazon Ireland for compliance (cough tax) reasons? Amazon clearly state that data never moves out of the region.

Freak_NL 10y ago

As long as Amazon has a US presence, it, and the data is hosts, is within legal reach of US judges and government.

Veratyr 10y ago
This isn't yet decided. Microsoft and the DoJ are still arguing about this in the court system, which so far has ruled that the US government cannot compel Microsoft to release data it holds in Ireland. It's currently waiting for the DoJ to decide whether to take it to the Supreme Court: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/microsoft-data-broad-appeals-court-234098 http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/micros...
- beejiu 10y ago
  Even if the DoJ did make it law, it would surely conflict with law that the Irish domiciled entity is subject to.
  - ci5er 10y ago
    Penalties for the US-based domestic entity to compel compliance of the off-shore entity would fall onto the domestic entity. The off-shore entity ALSO has to comply with whatever local regulatory regime they fall under. Unlinking the two companies completely might satisfy what you appear to be angling for, but it would be, in essence, a potential competitor to Amazon at that point.
beejiu 10y ago
That sounds very dangerous. What would happen if Amazon simply had a 99% share, but 1% was held by another purely Irish company. Amazon might elect the board and the subsidiary might 'lease' intellectual property and capital from the parent company, but I don't see how you could argue it is subject to US law in any way.

EwanToo 10y ago

Not as far as I know. Microsoft have gone as far with Azure in Germany to sign an agreement where T-Systems own the data and the systems and Microsoft are simply a contractor supplying a service to them. http://news.microsoft.com/europe/2016/09/21/microsoft-azure-germany-now-available-via-innovative-first-of-a-kind-cloud-model-for-europe/ http://news.microsoft.com/europe/2016/09/21/microsoft-azure-...