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I think you ignored his point or misunderstood. The majority of NYC already is on their side. It would be like MLK advocating for equal rights protests in a ma

by hueving 10y ago

I think you ignored his point or misunderstood. The majority of NYC already is on their side. It would be like MLK advocating for equal rights protests in a majority-black church.

wpietri 10y ago
Neither. NYC residents being hazily "on their side" in a broad political struggle is distinct from actively doing something to oppose the EO. Again, read the Letter. And no, it wouldn't. Although that is something that he did quite a bit of, given that he got his start as a Baptist preacher, so I'm not sure your analogy works.
- hueving 10y ago
  He didn't intentionally disrupt people already supporting him. As in, he didn't block a group of people trying to get to a church that was about to preach about black rights.
  - tiles 10y ago
    Actually, MLK has much to say about "inconvenient" protests. https://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2014/12/31/mlk-on-inconvenient-protests/ https://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2014/12/31/mlk-on... He disagrees with the white moderate proclaiming "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action." You are committing that error.
    - hueving 10y ago
      >You are committing that error. No I am not. I am fine with disruptive protests, but they should be disrupting the people who need their minds changed. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that we are talking about protesting in the wrong place entirely? The analogy is MLK protesting in an all-black church to prevent the constituents from hearing a sermon from a civil rights activist. This has nothing to do with "inconvenient" protests so much as idiotic protests disrupting the very choir to which they are preaching.
      - wpietri 10y ago
        > they should be disrupting the people who need their minds changed No. You continue to fail to understand MLK's theory of protest. If you have read his Letter From a Birmingham Jail, you give no sign of it. If the people being disrupted are already active in a movement to change things, they will not mind the protest. But if they are merely people who say "I agree with you in the goal you seek" without active support, then they are the very moderates that MLK was addressing here: "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate [...]".

by hueving 10y ago

I think you ignored his point or misunderstood. The majority of NYC already is on their side. It would be like MLK advocating for equal rights protests in a majority-black church.

wpietri 10y ago

Neither. NYC residents being hazily "on their side" in a broad political struggle is distinct from actively doing something to oppose the EO. Again, read the Letter. And no, it wouldn't. Although that is something that he did quite a bit of, given that he got his start as a Baptist preacher, so I'm not sure your analogy works.

hueving 10y ago
He didn't intentionally disrupt people already supporting him. As in, he didn't block a group of people trying to get to a church that was about to preach about black rights.
- tiles 10y ago
  Actually, MLK has much to say about "inconvenient" protests. https://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2014/12/31/mlk-on-inconvenient-protests/ https://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2014/12/31/mlk-on... He disagrees with the white moderate proclaiming "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action." You are committing that error.
  - hueving 10y ago
    >You are committing that error. No I am not. I am fine with disruptive protests, but they should be disrupting the people who need their minds changed. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that we are talking about protesting in the wrong place entirely? The analogy is MLK protesting in an all-black church to prevent the constituents from hearing a sermon from a civil rights activist. This has nothing to do with "inconvenient" protests so much as idiotic protests disrupting the very choir to which they are preaching.
    - wpietri 10y ago
      > they should be disrupting the people who need their minds changed No. You continue to fail to understand MLK's theory of protest. If you have read his Letter From a Birmingham Jail, you give no sign of it. If the people being disrupted are already active in a movement to change things, they will not mind the protest. But if they are merely people who say "I agree with you in the goal you seek" without active support, then they are the very moderates that MLK was addressing here: "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate [...]".