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has nothing to do with religion. After what Giuliani has publicly stated and explained, how can you say this?

mwpmaybe 10y ago
And Michael Flynn's son[0]. 0. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/michael-flynn-muslim-ban-234328 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/michael-flynn-muslim-b...
cookiecaper 10y ago
Did you read what Giuliani stated, or just go off the headline? He explicitly said it wasn't about religion. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13527870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13527870. This is "seriously, but not literally". Trump seriously meant he wanted to halt immigration from terrorists hotspots (which, yes, at the moment, are predominantly Muslim -- but that doesn't mean Muslims are predominantly terrorists). He asked his people to take his loose statement of intent and make it into something serious, legal, and valid. Giuliani indicates that in order to do that, the Trump admin avoided any conflation of terrorism with religion, and that this was both "totally sensible" and "totally legal". Do you disagree?
- michaelchisari 10y ago
  I didn't just read it, I watched it. I heard it from his own mouth. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlibiQIy298 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlibiQIy298 Let's put this in context Donald Trump's quote: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." Or the wording on his website: https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/11/trump-on-muslims.png https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/11... We can let the viewers at home decide.
  - refurb 10y ago
    Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States They did a pretty bad job then. The vast majority of Muslims don't live in those 7 countries.
    - michaelchisari 10y ago
      Bannon is smart enough to do this in degrees. Accelerated degrees, but degrees nonetheless.
    - rgbrenner 10y ago
      well priebus said on mtp on sunday that they used those countries because obama selected the list and so they thought it would be more likely to pass muster. He then said, other countries may be added in the future (when he was asked why saudi arabia, etc werent on the list). So this is just the starting point.

And Michael Flynn's son[0]. 0. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/michael-flynn-muslim-ban-234328 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/michael-flynn-muslim-b...

cookiecaper 10y ago

Did you read what Giuliani stated, or just go off the headline? He explicitly said it wasn't about religion. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13527870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13527870. This is "seriously, but not literally". Trump seriously meant he wanted to halt immigration from terrorists hotspots (which, yes, at the moment, are predominantly Muslim -- but that doesn't mean Muslims are predominantly terrorists). He asked his people to take his loose statement of intent and make it into something serious, legal, and valid. Giuliani indicates that in order to do that, the Trump admin avoided any conflation of terrorism with religion, and that this was both "totally sensible" and "totally legal". Do you disagree?

michaelchisari 10y ago
I didn't just read it, I watched it. I heard it from his own mouth. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlibiQIy298 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlibiQIy298 Let's put this in context Donald Trump's quote: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." Or the wording on his website: https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/11/trump-on-muslims.png https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/11... We can let the viewers at home decide.
- refurb 10y ago
  Donald J. Trump is calling for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States They did a pretty bad job then. The vast majority of Muslims don't live in those 7 countries.
  - michaelchisari 10y ago
    Bannon is smart enough to do this in degrees. Accelerated degrees, but degrees nonetheless.
  - rgbrenner 10y ago
    well priebus said on mtp on sunday that they used those countries because obama selected the list and so they thought it would be more likely to pass muster. He then said, other countries may be added in the future (when he was asked why saudi arabia, etc werent on the list). So this is just the starting point.