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I imagine if this was discovered in, say, Argentina, then there'd be a good chance of some Argentinian scientist participating in the discovery. Call it the an

by eliben 10y ago

I imagine if this was discovered in, say, Argentina, then there'd be a good chance of some Argentinian scientist participating in the discovery. Call it the anthropic principle of archeology :)

handedness 10y ago
I can't speak for the GP, but one might make a reasonable distinction between the reliability of findings that come out of Argentina as they compare to those from China. Edit: Someone doesn't appreciate this comment. Astute professional analysts the world over know that official figures that come out of China are among the least reliable on the planet. And while scientific misconduct is not unheard of anywhere, China's hardly a shining example in that regard. Lastly, good Chinese research agencies themselves are having a difficult time keeping up with numerous bad actors who are doing their best to fraudulently publish papers. This isn't xenophobia, it's a fair appraisal of the sometimes inconsistent qualities of the world's societies.
- jsnathan 10y ago
  What kind of misconduct? There is a big difference, for example, between plagiarism and fabricating results. And which percentage of the researchers are involved in this? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? Do you have any studies you could link to that in any way quantify this? China's research spending and number of research articles produced today is second only to the U.S. There are always going to be some bad apples among that many researchers. That should in no way discredit the rest of the profession.
  - webmaven 10y ago
    Last year, 80% of the applications for new pharmaceuticals in China were found to contain fabricated, flawed, or inadequate clinical trial data: http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinical-trial-is-fabricated http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...
- bluetwo 10y ago
  Well put.

3 ms·

I imagine if this was discovered in, say, Argentina, then there'd be a good chance of some Argentinian scientist participating in the discovery. Call it the an

by eliben 10y ago

I imagine if this was discovered in, say, Argentina, then there'd be a good chance of some Argentinian scientist participating in the discovery. Call it the anthropic principle of archeology :)

handedness 10y ago
I can't speak for the GP, but one might make a reasonable distinction between the reliability of findings that come out of Argentina as they compare to those from China. Edit: Someone doesn't appreciate this comment. Astute professional analysts the world over know that official figures that come out of China are among the least reliable on the planet. And while scientific misconduct is not unheard of anywhere, China's hardly a shining example in that regard. Lastly, good Chinese research agencies themselves are having a difficult time keeping up with numerous bad actors who are doing their best to fraudulently publish papers. This isn't xenophobia, it's a fair appraisal of the sometimes inconsistent qualities of the world's societies.
- jsnathan 10y ago
  What kind of misconduct? There is a big difference, for example, between plagiarism and fabricating results. And which percentage of the researchers are involved in this? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? Do you have any studies you could link to that in any way quantify this? China's research spending and number of research articles produced today is second only to the U.S. There are always going to be some bad apples among that many researchers. That should in no way discredit the rest of the profession.
  - webmaven 10y ago
    Last year, 80% of the applications for new pharmaceuticals in China were found to contain fabricated, flawed, or inadequate clinical trial data: http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinical-trial-is-fabricated http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinic...
- bluetwo 10y ago
  Well put.