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If so, then Google should do the right thing. They know they have a lot of allies, and public opinion, media, NGOs, customers and most voters are on their side.

If so, then Google should do the right thing. They know they have a lot of allies, and public opinion, media, NGOs, customers and most voters are on their side. The problem: could Trump do this legally, and legally force Google not to disclose it? What can Trump do with the NSA data? I haven't seen any stories addressing this, beyond vague "concerns".

cloakandswagger 10y ago
I don't see much point to hypothesizing about jackbooted Trump soldiers showing up at Google and demanding their data until it happens. Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already.
- matt4077 10y ago
  > Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already. Such assertions are counterproductive. They ignore actual statements by google regarding their efforts to improve security against US agency snooping, or Apple's somewhat valiant if ultimately fruitless attempts to defend the iPhone's security against national security interests. We need to specifically call out bad actors and actions, such as Yahoo's eagerness to CC the NSA on all our emails. We also need to reward positive action with praise. Both are methods to provide the incentives for companies to act in our interests: the companies can point to praise to argue that their principled stand makes financial sense, and the employees deserve the recognition by their peer group.
- concinds 10y ago
  That's what I was asking. What legal authority does Trump and his administration have? What can they do with the powers legally granted to them, both with the NSA, and with private companies directly? The wider public is completely ignorant about this, and this should be written up and publicized more.

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If so, then Google should do the right thing. They know they have a lot of allies, and public opinion, media, NGOs, customers and most voters are on their side.

by concinds 10y ago

cloakandswagger 10y ago
I don't see much point to hypothesizing about jackbooted Trump soldiers showing up at Google and demanding their data until it happens. Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already.
- matt4077 10y ago
  > Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already. Such assertions are counterproductive. They ignore actual statements by google regarding their efforts to improve security against US agency snooping, or Apple's somewhat valiant if ultimately fruitless attempts to defend the iPhone's security against national security interests. We need to specifically call out bad actors and actions, such as Yahoo's eagerness to CC the NSA on all our emails. We also need to reward positive action with praise. Both are methods to provide the incentives for companies to act in our interests: the companies can point to praise to argue that their principled stand makes financial sense, and the employees deserve the recognition by their peer group.
- concinds 10y ago
  That's what I was asking. What legal authority does Trump and his administration have? What can they do with the powers legally granted to them, both with the NSA, and with private companies directly? The wider public is completely ignorant about this, and this should be written up and publicized more.