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Is he demanding a review of government systems or of private systems as well? Like is the homeland security going to bring an army of security experts and start

Is he demanding a review of government systems or of private systems as well? Like is the homeland security going to bring an army of security experts and start banging on Google's doors demanding access to their servers to see if they are above board?

Waterluvian 10y ago
I could only hope like he pins big tech against a wall and forces them to bring their full force to bear.
concinds 10y ago
If so, then Google should do the right thing. They know they have a lot of allies, and public opinion, media, NGOs, customers and most voters are on their side. The problem: could Trump do this legally, and legally force Google not to disclose it? What can Trump do with the NSA data? I haven't seen any stories addressing this, beyond vague "concerns".
- cloakandswagger 10y ago
  I don't see much point to hypothesizing about jackbooted Trump soldiers showing up at Google and demanding their data until it happens. Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already.
  - matt4077 10y ago
    > Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already. Such assertions are counterproductive. They ignore actual statements by google regarding their efforts to improve security against US agency snooping, or Apple's somewhat valiant if ultimately fruitless attempts to defend the iPhone's security against national security interests. We need to specifically call out bad actors and actions, such as Yahoo's eagerness to CC the NSA on all our emails. We also need to reward positive action with praise. Both are methods to provide the incentives for companies to act in our interests: the companies can point to praise to argue that their principled stand makes financial sense, and the employees deserve the recognition by their peer group.
  - concinds 10y ago
    That's what I was asking. What legal authority does Trump and his administration have? What can they do with the powers legally granted to them, both with the NSA, and with private companies directly? The wider public is completely ignorant about this, and this should be written up and publicized more.
jerkstate 10y ago
Civilian systems which constitute critical infrastructure (defined in section 3) seem to be included in the review.
stuckagain 10y ago
Government cloud customers already have various requirements and certifications. See DoD SRG and FedRAMP for examples of such certifications by the US government.
bfung 10y ago
" 3. Denitions. As used in this order: The term ?critical infrastructure? means systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters. The term national security system means any telecommunications or information system Operated by the Federal Government or any contractor on its behalf, the function, operation, or use of which? involves intelligence activities;" So it seems to not imply private systems.
- jerkstate 10y ago
  I disagree, section 8 is geared completely towards private sector systems, and section 5 subsection c refers to the most urgent vulnerabilities in civilian, and the most critical private sector infrastructure.
- matt4077 10y ago
  The destruction of Google's, Apple's or Amazon's systems would obviously "have a debilitating impact on national economic security". All of them are also contractors of the Federal Government.

Waterluvian 10y ago

I could only hope like he pins big tech against a wall and forces them to bring their full force to bear.

concinds 10y ago

If so, then Google should do the right thing. They know they have a lot of allies, and public opinion, media, NGOs, customers and most voters are on their side. The problem: could Trump do this legally, and legally force Google not to disclose it? What can Trump do with the NSA data? I haven't seen any stories addressing this, beyond vague "concerns".

cloakandswagger 10y ago
I don't see much point to hypothesizing about jackbooted Trump soldiers showing up at Google and demanding their data until it happens. Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already.
- matt4077 10y ago
  > Furthermore, it misses the larger point that all of their data is readily and easily collected by the NSA already. Such assertions are counterproductive. They ignore actual statements by google regarding their efforts to improve security against US agency snooping, or Apple's somewhat valiant if ultimately fruitless attempts to defend the iPhone's security against national security interests. We need to specifically call out bad actors and actions, such as Yahoo's eagerness to CC the NSA on all our emails. We also need to reward positive action with praise. Both are methods to provide the incentives for companies to act in our interests: the companies can point to praise to argue that their principled stand makes financial sense, and the employees deserve the recognition by their peer group.
- concinds 10y ago
  That's what I was asking. What legal authority does Trump and his administration have? What can they do with the powers legally granted to them, both with the NSA, and with private companies directly? The wider public is completely ignorant about this, and this should be written up and publicized more.

jerkstate 10y ago

Civilian systems which constitute critical infrastructure (defined in section 3) seem to be included in the review.

stuckagain 10y ago

Government cloud customers already have various requirements and certifications. See DoD SRG and FedRAMP for examples of such certifications by the US government.

bfung 10y ago

" 3. Denitions. As used in this order: The term ?critical infrastructure? means systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters. The term national security system means any telecommunications or information system Operated by the Federal Government or any contractor on its behalf, the function, operation, or use of which? involves intelligence activities;" So it seems to not imply private systems.

jerkstate 10y ago
I disagree, section 8 is geared completely towards private sector systems, and section 5 subsection c refers to the most urgent vulnerabilities in civilian, and the most critical private sector infrastructure.
matt4077 10y ago
The destruction of Google's, Apple's or Amazon's systems would obviously "have a debilitating impact on national economic security". All of them are also contractors of the Federal Government.