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How about the BMW i3? The 2017 gets 120 miles to a charge and for a bit more money you can get an onboard generator to bring that up to 300 miles IIRC. The dri

by edude03 10y ago

How about the BMW i3? The 2017 gets 120 miles to a charge and for a bit more money you can get an onboard generator to bring that up to 300 miles IIRC. The driver assist capabilities aren't as great but otherwise can't think of much to complain about.

chc 10y ago
I wouldn't consider it to be in the same class. 120 miles is much closer to the Leaf (which is widely dinged for its paltry range) than the Bolt or any of Tesla's cars. And the range when burning gas seems kind of beside the point to me since we're talking about battery electric vehicles here, not cars that run on gas. (Like, my 2010 Prius gets 450 miles, but that's because it isn't relying on its battery and instead mostly uses an ICE, and for that reason it isn't usually considered in the same category as the Bolt.)
- edude03 10y ago
  I..... don't think that's a fair argument to make though. The leaf can't go anywhere when it's out of battery power AND the battery range is short. The Prius PHEV has a very short electric range so you'll mostly drive it on gas (and as far as I've heard, there are speed limitations on battery power). The i3 goes pretty far on battery power, farther than the leaf on battery, but as well you can add gas to get to the next charger and get back to battery power. Arguably, I'd say the i3 is closer to the bolt than any other EV.
illumin8 10y ago
I personally love my i3... I get about 120 miles on pure battery, but once the range extender kicks in I get about 40 mpg on a small 3 gallon gasoline tank. It actually works out pretty well, because 99% of my driving is well within the 120 mile all electric range, it's super quiet, and accelerates at any speed! For the 1% of the time I need to go on a longer trip (longest so far is about 250 miles), I simply treat it like a motorcycle trip and fill up gas every 50-60 miles, after exhausting the battery.
- trome 10y ago
  Huh, I'd just get two 5gal gas cans and call that good, as I'd rather not stop off every hour to get gas at varying prices and levels of quality. Plus, in good chunks of Arizona, New Mexico and West Texas its easy to go nearly that far without seeing another building, let alone a gas station. There are wind turbines on the ridgelines tho, which are pretty.
  - edude03 10y ago
    Isn't that supposed to be dangerous?
cowardlydragon 10y ago
The supercharger network is a huge advantage. All the other EVs are basically limited to local driving.
aedron 10y ago
Love the i3, shame it only seats four people.

by edude03 10y ago

chc 10y ago

I wouldn't consider it to be in the same class. 120 miles is much closer to the Leaf (which is widely dinged for its paltry range) than the Bolt or any of Tesla's cars. And the range when burning gas seems kind of beside the point to me since we're talking about battery electric vehicles here, not cars that run on gas. (Like, my 2010 Prius gets 450 miles, but that's because it isn't relying on its battery and instead mostly uses an ICE, and for that reason it isn't usually considered in the same category as the Bolt.)

edude03 10y ago
I..... don't think that's a fair argument to make though. The leaf can't go anywhere when it's out of battery power AND the battery range is short. The Prius PHEV has a very short electric range so you'll mostly drive it on gas (and as far as I've heard, there are speed limitations on battery power). The i3 goes pretty far on battery power, farther than the leaf on battery, but as well you can add gas to get to the next charger and get back to battery power. Arguably, I'd say the i3 is closer to the bolt than any other EV.

illumin8 10y ago

I personally love my i3... I get about 120 miles on pure battery, but once the range extender kicks in I get about 40 mpg on a small 3 gallon gasoline tank. It actually works out pretty well, because 99% of my driving is well within the 120 mile all electric range, it's super quiet, and accelerates at any speed! For the 1% of the time I need to go on a longer trip (longest so far is about 250 miles), I simply treat it like a motorcycle trip and fill up gas every 50-60 miles, after exhausting the battery.

trome 10y ago
Huh, I'd just get two 5gal gas cans and call that good, as I'd rather not stop off every hour to get gas at varying prices and levels of quality. Plus, in good chunks of Arizona, New Mexico and West Texas its easy to go nearly that far without seeing another building, let alone a gas station. There are wind turbines on the ridgelines tho, which are pretty.
- edude03 10y ago
  Isn't that supposed to be dangerous?

cowardlydragon 10y ago

The supercharger network is a huge advantage. All the other EVs are basically limited to local driving.

aedron 10y ago

Love the i3, shame it only seats four people.