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> I presume the quote is accurate, but that Giuliani (or the reporter) may have dropped a qualifier that would change the meaning. This is not a very convincin

> I presume the quote is accurate, but that Giuliani (or the reporter) may have dropped a qualifier that would change the meaning. This is not a very convincing line of argument. The actual interview on Fox News where Giuliani said this is easily googlable, and on youtube. No missing qualifiers. You can just watch the interview and find out that the quote is accurate and that Giuliani meant what he said, including "Muslim ban". There's quite some danger of hearing people say things that they mean to say, and just assuming that they couldn't possibly have said them because they sound odd to you. After all, what evidence would you find persuasive?

nkurz 10y ago
The actual interview on Fox News where Giuliani said this is easily googlable, and on youtube. No missing qualifiers. I haven't watched the interview. What you say would imply that I'm wrong to think that it might be due to the reporter. Despite my clumsy phrasing, though, I was mostly thinking that Giuliani might have failed to mention Trump's implied "until we figure out a way that we can identify who's dangerous and who's not". For me, that clause makes a difference. Does it matter for you? After all, what evidence would you find persuasive? I'm not sure. Short of Trump explicitly saying "I don't think we should allow Muslims to live here", I'm not sure what single thing would convince me. A pile of lower quality evidence eventually would, but I don't think we are there yet. I tend to agree with what Scott Alexander writes here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wo.... I don't think Trump is a subtle guy, and if he truly was personally prejudiced against Muslims (as opposed to concerned about terrorism) he would just say so explicitly.

nkurz 10y ago

The actual interview on Fox News where Giuliani said this is easily googlable, and on youtube. No missing qualifiers. I haven't watched the interview. What you say would imply that I'm wrong to think that it might be due to the reporter. Despite my clumsy phrasing, though, I was mostly thinking that Giuliani might have failed to mention Trump's implied "until we figure out a way that we can identify who's dangerous and who's not". For me, that clause makes a difference. Does it matter for you? After all, what evidence would you find persuasive? I'm not sure. Short of Trump explicitly saying "I don't think we should allow Muslims to live here", I'm not sure what single thing would convince me. A pile of lower quality evidence eventually would, but I don't think we are there yet. I tend to agree with what Scott Alexander writes here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wo.... I don't think Trump is a subtle guy, and if he truly was personally prejudiced against Muslims (as opposed to concerned about terrorism) he would just say so explicitly.