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If none of these companies hired non US citizen cheap-labor, would they still be suing? Would they still care? Cheap-labor is the only reason any of these com
by imchillyb 10y ago
If none of these companies hired non US citizen cheap-labor, would they still be suing? Would they still care?
Cheap-labor is the only reason any of these companies gives a rat's-ass about the 90day travel restrictions. President Obama signed heavy travel-restrictions into law in 2015, not a peep from this forum. Not a peep from Microsoft. Not a peep from Amazon.
But all of a sudden, NOW we care! Yeah right...
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/ http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-adminis...
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> In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."
> The restrictions specifically limited what is known as visa-waiver travel by those who had visited one of the seven countries within the specified time period. People who previously could have entered the United States without a visa were instead required to apply for one if they had traveled to one of the seven countries.
> Under the law, dual citizens of visa-waiver countries and Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria could no longer travel to the U.S. without a visa. Dual citizens of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen could, however, still use the visa-waiver program if they hadn't traveled to any of the seven countries after March 2011.
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Trump's order is much broader. It bans all citizens from those seven countries from entering the U.S. and leaves green card holders subject to being rescreened after visiting those countries.
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President Trump may have enhanced the restrictions, but he's not the President that enacted them. Where were you Armchair Justice Warriors then? You sure weren't here posting about the -exceedingly heavy- restrictions in 2015. Nope, not a single one of you...
- slededit 10y agoAs someone on a work permit at Microsoft, I'm far from "cheap labor".
- geofft 10y agoBut you do lower the market value of people less competent than you, which is apparently a problem to such people.
- mavelikara 10y agoHow?
- slededit 10y agoBecause if they couldn't get me, they'd be forced to hire the next best person from my interview cohort. That would reduce the pool available to all the other companies.
- serge2k 10y agoOr keep looking until they find someone else. They aren't just going to hire someone unqualified. If they find someone qualified they will also try to find a place for them, because it's hard to find qualified people.
- slededit 10y agoUltimately they need people. At some point they will be forced to hire somebody. This happens today with C/C++ knowledge. Ideally somebody joining to work on a massive C++ code base would know the language. 10 years ago it was practically a requirement to get hired. But very few people are coming out of university with that knowledge these days. Interview tip: Come in knowing C++ and your interviewer will be impressed (assuming the team uses it).
- openmosix 10y agoOr move the entire department overseas.
- adventurer 10y agoArmchair economist here. More workers = less competition. Competition affects salary. Simple supply and demand? All of the companies who spoke out like Amazon, Apple, and Google NEED workers to fill those roles to run business, and rely on them heavily because there isn't enough data scientists, or engineers for example, in the U.S. or the world, for that matter.
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- cshenoy 10y agoYou could have chosen to have a productive and civil conversation about the immigration restrictions and how they're related to actions taken by President Obama. Instead you chose to make blanket accusations, inane assumptions about everyone here, and resorted to unnecessary name-calling. Why?
- mattnewton 10y agoI for one welcome economic interests on the side of right. Certainly doesn't make this order any less bad, and certainly makes it easier to fight with powerful allies.
- bryanlarsen 10y agoThe ACLU is in the forefront of the fight against these orders just like they were in 2015.
- rayiner 10y agoImmigrants from these countries are not a significant source of labor in the tech industry. Moreover, while Obama set the framework in place, it was Trump that was responsible for the disasterous implementstion that excluded existing visa holders and green card holders with no process.
- not_debt 10y agoI work for Microsoft and while I am not personally affected by this executive order, we all received an email which stated that there are a number of Microsoft employees who are. So it's no surprise that Microsoft are coming out on the side of their employees, and indeed on the benefits of immigration in general - I know from being tangentially involved in some of the hiring process that it's exceedingly difficult to fill certain positions without looking abroad, as the talent is spread globally.
- dingaling 10y ago> it's exceedingly difficult to fill certain positions without looking abroad Why not train people to fill those positions? That then creates a process for filling the positions again in the future, instead of having to constantly return to the job market. It also gives employees a career track and aspirations, instead of having outsiders ( irrelvant whether from other companies or countries ) air-dropped into juicy positions.
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- openmosix 10y agoMeh. We were hiring people in US /AND/ abroad - when getting an H1b was easier and not connected to luck (= random lottery). Since H1b are hard to get now (= random lottery) we are only hiring abroad and remotely, but most likely not in US. I see more and more companies doing this.
- abiox 10y ago> If none of these companies hired non US citizen cheap-labor, would they still be suing? Would they still care? what makes you assume "cheap"?