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I guess everyone just really, really loves Elon Musk.

by libeclipse 10y ago

Kudos 10y ago
It's hard not to be really, really impressed by him, tbh.
- wott 10y ago
  Ah? I do not have to force myself a bit.
Girlang 10y ago
I'll just stick with my Chevy Volt and Bolt, thank you very much. Also "Made in America"
ocdtrekkie 10y ago
I am impressed with Elon Musk and his accomplishments, no doubt. But this is not even close to the worst Tesla customer service story I've heard. The company is a nightmare. The only state you can even SEE a service manual for these cars is in Massachusetts where they mandate it by law, and you have to pay by the hour to see it! There's huge issues that haven't been tested in court with how Tesla treats these cars as "their cars" even after you buy them. Refused to activate salvaged and repaired vehicles that you have the title for, calling and threatening you because they detected you dared tinker with your own car, etc. I really want to like Tesla, but as long as they treat their cars like a service rather than a product, I'd be terrified to invest my money in one of their vehicles.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  You own the Tesla hardware. You do not own the software. You're also not forced to buy one. You're also free to write your own software for the vehicle to bypass Tesla.
  - j_koreth 10y ago
    > You're also free to write your own software for the vehicle to bypass Tesla. I thought the problem was that this part was illegal also
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      Its not. Write your own software, flash the vehicle. Its a herculean task, but possible, and not illegal.
      - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
        It also, at the very least, voids the warranty on your potentially $160,000 car.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    While that may be technically true, I do not know if that will hold in court, as currently Tesla owns a monopoly on software that runs on Teslas, and they disable their software to prevent the legal owner from using their own vehicle. I suspect this is wholly illegal behavior, and I really look forward to seeing it get tested in court. While this grey area has generally survived in smaller items, I suspect a car, where you literally have a title to it, is not so defensible under that claim. Especially when they also make it effectively impossible to repair the hardware outside of their company as well.
    - dingo_bat 10y ago
      If Apple can do it, Tesla also can. No court is going to reverse it.
eddieh 10y ago
Not everyone, but we're definitely a minority waiting for the world to catch up. Stories like this sometimes help, but also bring out all the apologist in droves...

I guess everyone just really, really loves Elon Musk.

Kudos 10y ago

It's hard not to be really, really impressed by him, tbh.

wott 10y ago
Ah? I do not have to force myself a bit.

Girlang 10y ago

I'll just stick with my Chevy Volt and Bolt, thank you very much. Also "Made in America"

ocdtrekkie 10y ago

I am impressed with Elon Musk and his accomplishments, no doubt. But this is not even close to the worst Tesla customer service story I've heard. The company is a nightmare. The only state you can even SEE a service manual for these cars is in Massachusetts where they mandate it by law, and you have to pay by the hour to see it! There's huge issues that haven't been tested in court with how Tesla treats these cars as "their cars" even after you buy them. Refused to activate salvaged and repaired vehicles that you have the title for, calling and threatening you because they detected you dared tinker with your own car, etc. I really want to like Tesla, but as long as they treat their cars like a service rather than a product, I'd be terrified to invest my money in one of their vehicles.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
You own the Tesla hardware. You do not own the software. You're also not forced to buy one. You're also free to write your own software for the vehicle to bypass Tesla.
- j_koreth 10y ago
  > You're also free to write your own software for the vehicle to bypass Tesla. I thought the problem was that this part was illegal also
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Its not. Write your own software, flash the vehicle. Its a herculean task, but possible, and not illegal.
    - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
      It also, at the very least, voids the warranty on your potentially $160,000 car.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  While that may be technically true, I do not know if that will hold in court, as currently Tesla owns a monopoly on software that runs on Teslas, and they disable their software to prevent the legal owner from using their own vehicle. I suspect this is wholly illegal behavior, and I really look forward to seeing it get tested in court. While this grey area has generally survived in smaller items, I suspect a car, where you literally have a title to it, is not so defensible under that claim. Especially when they also make it effectively impossible to repair the hardware outside of their company as well.
  - dingo_bat 10y ago
    If Apple can do it, Tesla also can. No court is going to reverse it.

eddieh 10y ago

Not everyone, but we're definitely a minority waiting for the world to catch up. Stories like this sometimes help, but also bring out all the apologist in droves...