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This is dated January 18th. Considering everything that has happened, I wholeheartedly disagree. Even though some immigrants will fare better (especially white

This is dated January 18th. Considering everything that has happened, I wholeheartedly disagree. Even though some immigrants will fare better (especially white immigrants from Canada or Eastern Europe), I'd not recommend it because entire populations - anyone that could pass as latino or arab - could easily have a difficult time.

InclinedPlane 10y ago
Just as the stock price of a publicly traded company doesn't represent the past entirely but rather the expected future value of the company, the same applies to immigration destination countries. Right now the risk of disastrous changes to how immigrants are treated or even the stability of the country itself are so high in America that it does raise the question of whether it's a good idea to come here if other options are available.
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  I'm American and I won't go back to visit unless things get stable, honestly. I'm in Norway, and rather like the peace and quiet. My spouse, who is Norwegian, refuses to go back.
PopsiclePete 10y ago
Eastern European immigrant here. Lots of people are telling me "not to worry" since I'm not brown and/or Muslim, but it's hard not to worry about the future direction of this country. I'm seeing some really familiar, troubling signs - a way of thinking in people - that I was hoping I'd never see here. The amount of irreparable damage to America's soft power - it's reputation and image - that Trump has done is hard to quantify, but it's pretty "yuge". At this point, I can't honestly recommend this country to any other potential immigrants/friends - I'd say Canada, Australia, or even Germany if you can swing it, are better bets at this point - more urban overall, more cosmopolitan, and more likely to have seen others like you and not be scared of you. I can't believe how quickly the fly-over (hate that term) states became frightened and closed-off - it's really a different country compared to what it was in the late 90's when I first came here.
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  You are absolutely correct, and it is my fault. I seriously got my directions mixed up: I truly meant western Europe. Serious fault of mine - I mix up right and left as well - it doesn't help that I'm an immigrant myself, American living in Norway, and I automatically assume all of Europe is East. I'd edit the post, but it is far past the time. You are absolutely correct on your assessment. The further towards Russia or the middle east you go, the harder it is to make it. Heck, I don't want to go back at this point, especially if I happen to have a tan... because I defnitely look arab then, and I'm a citizen.
Broken_Hippo 10y ago
Edit that is long past overdue: I meant folks will fare better from Western Europe. I get directions mixed up, unfortunatly.

InclinedPlane 10y ago

Just as the stock price of a publicly traded company doesn't represent the past entirely but rather the expected future value of the company, the same applies to immigration destination countries. Right now the risk of disastrous changes to how immigrants are treated or even the stability of the country itself are so high in America that it does raise the question of whether it's a good idea to come here if other options are available.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago
I'm American and I won't go back to visit unless things get stable, honestly. I'm in Norway, and rather like the peace and quiet. My spouse, who is Norwegian, refuses to go back.

PopsiclePete 10y ago

Eastern European immigrant here. Lots of people are telling me "not to worry" since I'm not brown and/or Muslim, but it's hard not to worry about the future direction of this country. I'm seeing some really familiar, troubling signs - a way of thinking in people - that I was hoping I'd never see here. The amount of irreparable damage to America's soft power - it's reputation and image - that Trump has done is hard to quantify, but it's pretty "yuge". At this point, I can't honestly recommend this country to any other potential immigrants/friends - I'd say Canada, Australia, or even Germany if you can swing it, are better bets at this point - more urban overall, more cosmopolitan, and more likely to have seen others like you and not be scared of you. I can't believe how quickly the fly-over (hate that term) states became frightened and closed-off - it's really a different country compared to what it was in the late 90's when I first came here.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago
You are absolutely correct, and it is my fault. I seriously got my directions mixed up: I truly meant western Europe. Serious fault of mine - I mix up right and left as well - it doesn't help that I'm an immigrant myself, American living in Norway, and I automatically assume all of Europe is East. I'd edit the post, but it is far past the time. You are absolutely correct on your assessment. The further towards Russia or the middle east you go, the harder it is to make it. Heck, I don't want to go back at this point, especially if I happen to have a tan... because I defnitely look arab then, and I'm a citizen.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago

Edit that is long past overdue: I meant folks will fare better from Western Europe. I get directions mixed up, unfortunatly.