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This all reads true to me, what is arguable here?

by superplussed 10y ago

LyndsySimon 10y ago
The central premise? If Trump wanted to take over the US government, this is not at all the way he'd go about it.
- ap3 10y ago
  And you know this because....?
  - LyndsySimon 10y ago
    An executive order on immigration, while arbitrary, follows established precedent. The inclusion of existing visa and permanent residency holders was designed to stoke the fires of the media and of the left. Trump has a whole stack of things he wants to accomplish, and he's tiring out his primary opposition while simultaneously virtue-signaling to his base. If he were wanting to instigate a coup he'd be quietly placing people beholden to him into positions of power, driving wedges between the internal divisions of his opposition, and solidifying the ground he's already taken. Trump is nimble. He understands what's going to incite those who speak out against him, and he uses that knowledge to set them up for failure. He did this throughout the campaign and he's doing it now. You're supposed to be upset about the immigration EO. You're supposed to be upset about his SCOTUS nominee that he's promised tomorrow. You're supposed to be upset about the next thing he does. Trump is ridiculing his opposition, and so many people live in their own personal echo chambers that they aren't even noticing.
    - maxerickson 10y ago
      He understands what's going to incite those who speak out against him, and he uses that knowledge to set them up for failure. He did this throughout the campaign and he's doing it now. You're supposed to be upset about the immigration EO. That the disruptiveness of the immigration EO was intentional is not exactly hard to suss out. I don't understand what failure it sets anyone up for though. I mean, it's the administration that is walking back the order (Kelly's statement about lawful permanent resident status being dispositive). The protests made a powerful statement to people in other countries.
    - altern8tif 10y ago
      > If he were wanting to instigate a coup he'd be quietly placing people beholden to him into positions of power The fact that Bannon has been installed on the National Security Council, and that attendance of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and DNI is allowed only upon request of the Council is the bigger story here. [EDIT] And it is not so much that he is the instigator of the coup. Trump may only be the puppet here. Genuine question: How does one recognize a coup before it's too late to stop it?

This all reads true to me, what is arguable here?

LyndsySimon 10y ago

The central premise? If Trump wanted to take over the US government, this is not at all the way he'd go about it.

ap3 10y ago
And you know this because....?
- LyndsySimon 10y ago
  An executive order on immigration, while arbitrary, follows established precedent. The inclusion of existing visa and permanent residency holders was designed to stoke the fires of the media and of the left. Trump has a whole stack of things he wants to accomplish, and he's tiring out his primary opposition while simultaneously virtue-signaling to his base. If he were wanting to instigate a coup he'd be quietly placing people beholden to him into positions of power, driving wedges between the internal divisions of his opposition, and solidifying the ground he's already taken. Trump is nimble. He understands what's going to incite those who speak out against him, and he uses that knowledge to set them up for failure. He did this throughout the campaign and he's doing it now. You're supposed to be upset about the immigration EO. You're supposed to be upset about his SCOTUS nominee that he's promised tomorrow. You're supposed to be upset about the next thing he does. Trump is ridiculing his opposition, and so many people live in their own personal echo chambers that they aren't even noticing.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    He understands what's going to incite those who speak out against him, and he uses that knowledge to set them up for failure. He did this throughout the campaign and he's doing it now. You're supposed to be upset about the immigration EO. That the disruptiveness of the immigration EO was intentional is not exactly hard to suss out. I don't understand what failure it sets anyone up for though. I mean, it's the administration that is walking back the order (Kelly's statement about lawful permanent resident status being dispositive). The protests made a powerful statement to people in other countries.
  - altern8tif 10y ago
    > If he were wanting to instigate a coup he'd be quietly placing people beholden to him into positions of power The fact that Bannon has been installed on the National Security Council, and that attendance of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and DNI is allowed only upon request of the Council is the bigger story here. [EDIT] And it is not so much that he is the instigator of the coup. Trump may only be the puppet here. Genuine question: How does one recognize a coup before it's too late to stop it?