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Don't assume whether my wife is an immigrant or not. Or, that her job is fungible enough to be so easily displaced. Anyway, my point was that the US as a whole

by mildbow 10y ago

Don't assume whether my wife is an immigrant or not. Or, that her job is fungible enough to be so easily displaced. Anyway, my point was that the US as a whole benefits from immigrants. So, from a economic standpoint your comment doesn't make sense. I understand that Americans coming first in Americah is what you believe in. That doesn't make it right. It's something you can fight for/vote for[0]/we can talk about. But you can't just beg the question when asked why you think so. [0] It's not something I have or will ever vote for. Because I believe in a meritocracy and pursuit of happiness open to all.

davidf18 10y ago
> "Don't assume whether my wife is an immigrant or not." From the context you supplied earlier, it seems she is not allowed to work here, therefore, not a US citizen. > "Anyway, my point was that the US as a whole benefits from immigrants." I don't disagree. My problem is not with immigrants. My ancestors were immigrants. But they did not displace American jobs or depress wage rates through an H1-B Visa type program that was abused. They became American citizens. > "I understand that Americans coming first in Americah is what you believe in. That doesn't make it right." It is not only what I believe, but more importantly what about every American believes. What is wrong is that immigrants are taking jobs from Americans or depressing wage rates. There is no question that that is wrong. Perhaps immigrants should get jobs in their own countries. "ComputerWorld reports that following an announcement by Disney in October 2014 that the company would be using an offshore outsourcing firm for future hiring, tensions between workers and Disney became strained. The company began hiring South Asian workers at a rapid pace, and some current Disney workers were forced to begin training their H-1B visa worker replacements. In January of 2015 nearly 250 Disney IT workers were laid off, leading 30 of those former Disney employees to file a lawsuit in the US District Court of Orlando." http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/14/disney-it-workers-file-lawsuit-claiming-company-replaced-them-with-h-1b-visa-workers/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/14/disney-it-workers-f...
- mildbow 10y ago
  You probably thought I was the parent. Anyway, since it seems to be a sticking point with you, my wife and I are Americans, but I don't believe that Americans, by default, should get a job over immigrants[0]. So it's not everybody :) As I mentioned in a previous comment, I believe in a meritocracy and the pursuit of happiness for all. And, all doesn't mean just people who lucked out by being born in America. We will just have to agree to disagree on this point. [0] if the first word that jumped into your head was some variation of "[race] traitor", then I suggest you consider your subconscious biases in this debate.
  - spion 10y ago
    Here is a wild theory: Maybe it would be better if the US got more closed down regarding immigration and engaged in protectionism - better for everyone that is. It would make it harder for US businesses to take advantage of cheap overseas labour, which in turn would raise the prices of everything they produce and make companies in other countries more competitive on the market of goods, thereby decreasing the desire to immigrate to the US further. This could be the most effective way in which the US could help move the world towards the ideal of global equality :) note: My knowledge of economy and finance is nearly non-existent, which should inform you about the value of the above opinion

by mildbow 10y ago

davidf18 10y ago

> "Don't assume whether my wife is an immigrant or not." From the context you supplied earlier, it seems she is not allowed to work here, therefore, not a US citizen. > "Anyway, my point was that the US as a whole benefits from immigrants." I don't disagree. My problem is not with immigrants. My ancestors were immigrants. But they did not displace American jobs or depress wage rates through an H1-B Visa type program that was abused. They became American citizens. > "I understand that Americans coming first in Americah is what you believe in. That doesn't make it right." It is not only what I believe, but more importantly what about every American believes. What is wrong is that immigrants are taking jobs from Americans or depressing wage rates. There is no question that that is wrong. Perhaps immigrants should get jobs in their own countries. "ComputerWorld reports that following an announcement by Disney in October 2014 that the company would be using an offshore outsourcing firm for future hiring, tensions between workers and Disney became strained. The company began hiring South Asian workers at a rapid pace, and some current Disney workers were forced to begin training their H-1B visa worker replacements. In January of 2015 nearly 250 Disney IT workers were laid off, leading 30 of those former Disney employees to file a lawsuit in the US District Court of Orlando." http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/14/disney-it-workers-file-lawsuit-claiming-company-replaced-them-with-h-1b-visa-workers/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/14/disney-it-workers-f...

mildbow 10y ago
You probably thought I was the parent. Anyway, since it seems to be a sticking point with you, my wife and I are Americans, but I don't believe that Americans, by default, should get a job over immigrants[0]. So it's not everybody :) As I mentioned in a previous comment, I believe in a meritocracy and the pursuit of happiness for all. And, all doesn't mean just people who lucked out by being born in America. We will just have to agree to disagree on this point. [0] if the first word that jumped into your head was some variation of "[race] traitor", then I suggest you consider your subconscious biases in this debate.
- spion 10y ago
  Here is a wild theory: Maybe it would be better if the US got more closed down regarding immigration and engaged in protectionism - better for everyone that is. It would make it harder for US businesses to take advantage of cheap overseas labour, which in turn would raise the prices of everything they produce and make companies in other countries more competitive on the market of goods, thereby decreasing the desire to immigrate to the US further. This could be the most effective way in which the US could help move the world towards the ideal of global equality :) note: My knowledge of economy and finance is nearly non-existent, which should inform you about the value of the above opinion