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Trump campaigned on this. America voted for this. Every nation gets the government it deserves.

by jasonlingx 10y ago

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tangaroa11 10y ago
The U.S. is clearly geographically stratified (and self stratifying), and the impact factor of certain regions is clearly larger than others with the electoral system. I would take issue with the statement that "America" voted for Trump or his talking points. Priorities vary greatly; just look at local politics. For two extremes, California ballot measures (2016) have included things like legalizing marijuana and promoting bilingual school education; Kansas has ballot measures for things like right to hunt and fish (2016) or exemption from nationally mandated health care plans (2014).
akerro 10y ago
> Every nation gets the government it d̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶s̶ it elects. FTFU
pg314 10y ago
> Every nation gets the government it deserves. That sounds catchy, but isn't true. Think of all the dictators who came to power after a coup (sometimes backed by foreign powers).
- legodt 10y ago
  Four times, it was America that installed said dictator...
mikeash 10y ago
How does it make sense to speak about an entire nation deserving anything? I didn't vote for this, but I'm getting it just the same.
- entropyneur 10y ago
  Meet Collective Responsibility [1] AKA The most harmful idea ever. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_responsibility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_responsibility
- wu-ikkyu 10y ago
  This situation is what is known as a double-bind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind I.E. When someone tells you "You must be free!", this is a psychological trap, because if you are not free to decide if you want to be free, then you can't really be free.
joekrill 10y ago
Actually, the majority of Americans did NOT vote for this. Even the majority that actually voted didn't vote for this.
- overcast 10y ago
  Oh boy, not this again. The majority of the electoral college voted for this. That's how both Trump, and Hillary campaigned. To maximize electoral votes. There is no way to predict how it would have turned out, if it was based on popular vote.
  - davexunit 10y ago
    Oh get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. The majority of the American people did not and still do not want Trump.
    - analbeads 10y ago
      The majority of the American people don't care what happens either way and are ready for everyone to shut up about politics so they can get back to their lives.
  - unscaled 10y ago
    Yeah, the legally elected leader, according to the Constitution, is Donald Trump. That still doesn't mean the majority of Americans electing them. Parent was assigning the responsibility for his election to all American citizens, but it's kinda hard to blame the entire American public for supporting these opinions when only 25.4% of them actually cast a ballot for Trump, and even passivity is hard to blame when more people actively opposed Trump than supported him.

Trump campaigned on this. America voted for this. Every nation gets the government it deserves.

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tangaroa11 10y ago

The U.S. is clearly geographically stratified (and self stratifying), and the impact factor of certain regions is clearly larger than others with the electoral system. I would take issue with the statement that "America" voted for Trump or his talking points. Priorities vary greatly; just look at local politics. For two extremes, California ballot measures (2016) have included things like legalizing marijuana and promoting bilingual school education; Kansas has ballot measures for things like right to hunt and fish (2016) or exemption from nationally mandated health care plans (2014).

akerro 10y ago

> Every nation gets the government it d̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶s̶ it elects. FTFU

pg314 10y ago

> Every nation gets the government it deserves. That sounds catchy, but isn't true. Think of all the dictators who came to power after a coup (sometimes backed by foreign powers).

legodt 10y ago
Four times, it was America that installed said dictator...

mikeash 10y ago

How does it make sense to speak about an entire nation deserving anything? I didn't vote for this, but I'm getting it just the same.

entropyneur 10y ago
Meet Collective Responsibility [1] AKA The most harmful idea ever. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_responsibility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_responsibility
wu-ikkyu 10y ago
This situation is what is known as a double-bind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind I.E. When someone tells you "You must be free!", this is a psychological trap, because if you are not free to decide if you want to be free, then you can't really be free.

joekrill 10y ago

Actually, the majority of Americans did NOT vote for this. Even the majority that actually voted didn't vote for this.

overcast 10y ago
Oh boy, not this again. The majority of the electoral college voted for this. That's how both Trump, and Hillary campaigned. To maximize electoral votes. There is no way to predict how it would have turned out, if it was based on popular vote.
- davexunit 10y ago
  Oh get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. The majority of the American people did not and still do not want Trump.
  - analbeads 10y ago
    The majority of the American people don't care what happens either way and are ready for everyone to shut up about politics so they can get back to their lives.
- unscaled 10y ago
  Yeah, the legally elected leader, according to the Constitution, is Donald Trump. That still doesn't mean the majority of Americans electing them. Parent was assigning the responsibility for his election to all American citizens, but it's kinda hard to blame the entire American public for supporting these opinions when only 25.4% of them actually cast a ballot for Trump, and even passivity is hard to blame when more people actively opposed Trump than supported him.