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> he is an outsider to the established system He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million. He didn't pay his taxes. His chief of staff was chairman of

by verbify 10y ago

> he is an outsider to the established system He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million. He didn't pay his taxes. His chief of staff was chairman of the Republican party. His cabinet have a combined net worth of $6 billion. If anyone represents the powers-that-be, he does. If anyone has a glib marketing campaign, it's the Trump presidency in claiming to be 'outsiders'. And if you think the political system is broken, well, you haven't seen nothing yet. > how hard the mainstream media is bent on pulling him down Maybe the media is criticizing him because, you know, he does things that deserve criticism.

mattmanser 10y ago
Just because you're part of one club (business leaders) doesn't make you part of another club (political elite). America is a very odd place, there's cheerful talk about being the most democratic place in the world, but you have all these really bizarre ruling families who keep winning powerful positions. It's not normal to have two Bushes, let alone 3 in power in the space of a couple of decades. Or Clintons. Or Kennedys. How can you not look at your own politics and wonder, with 300 odd million, how do the same families keep winning? That the whole thing's not a stacked deck? It's really weird. To outsiders, there's obviously something deeply corrupt in America where a tiny ruling dynasty keep getting themselves elected. There's a 'queue' and Hilary was at the top because of her connections. SNL even joked before the election that if she wasn't elected, she'd be back next time as it was still her 'turn' to be president. Trump is not part of that club, that's what he's talking about. By supporting that corrupt status quo the democrats helped a monster like Trump be elected.
hueving 10y ago
>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million He didn't inherit it with a bunch of strings attached from lobbyists. The Clintons have been pulling money into their foundation leveraging political connections built up over decades. People don't care that he's rich with daddy's money, they care that it's not "decades of political speeches and political fundraising money". >He didn't pay his taxes He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount. The fact that people think taking a loss write-off is some kind of black mark shows how stupid many people really are. >And if you think the political system is broken, well, you haven't seen nothing yet You may be right, but many people were voting in a massive change to the system. "drain the swap" was the slogan
- _andromeda_ 10y ago
  Ah! A breath of fresh air on HN. >He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount Precisely. Why would anyone pay more taxes than they're legally required to? He'd be in jail otherwise. You see, people are caught up in complexity instead of asking simple questions such as these. It is however so blatantly obvious that folks attacking Trump on such issues don't have anything concrete to discredit President Trump. >>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million Again, WRONG! So blatantly obvious this is a lie. He did not inherit that much and even if he did, why is that a problem for anyone? Trump's voters weren't voting for his flaws (which were largely exaggerated by the dishonest media), they were voting for him because he was the only one who seemed to understand just how dire things have become, not just in America but globally. The left has largely been all about status quo and the vilification of producers. What has emerged now is that the left cannot be placated any longer. Time for radical action has come. Immorality, indolence, abortions, illegal immigration, egalitarianism, fundamentalism/Islamic radicalization and social welfare have no place in 21st century civilization. It is time for normalcy to resume and voters all over the world from France To Italy To America have realized that only the right can provide this normalcy. All the socialist parties in the world are losing and this is a clear indication that the pendulum has swung for the better. EDIT: Here's a list of world leaders likely to emulate the brilliant things Trump is doing when they come into power: Norbert Hofer - Austria, Marine Le Pen - France, Frauke Petry - Germany (with a very impressive movement called Alternative For Germany which has taken a cue from Brexit with their anti-EU mantra), Jimmie Akesson - Sweden, Andrej Babis - Czech, Beppe Grillo - Italy, Geert Wilders - Netherlanders, Nigel Farage - United Kingdom
- espadrine 10y ago
  > He didn't inherit it That is not the point. Why is Clinton owing the wealthy for their donations a problem? Because it makes her more likely to yield to their demands. Corruption creates a pay-to-win game. But putting the wealthy in power cuts the middle man, worsening the situation: now they don't even need to provide donations, they are either on the President's cabinet, or are the President himself! > "drain the swap" was the slogan Populism at work; there was no need for it to be honest. It is a true issue, but someone that points it out does not automatically become an outsider of the system. He was very much part of the system, and was open about it, bragging about his political donations.
belorn 10y ago
To take a note from popular culture, I recall how the primary plot of House of cards - season 2, was the difference between power and money. Power is describe as created by favor and influence, while money mostly creates more money.

by verbify 10y ago

mattmanser 10y ago

Just because you're part of one club (business leaders) doesn't make you part of another club (political elite). America is a very odd place, there's cheerful talk about being the most democratic place in the world, but you have all these really bizarre ruling families who keep winning powerful positions. It's not normal to have two Bushes, let alone 3 in power in the space of a couple of decades. Or Clintons. Or Kennedys. How can you not look at your own politics and wonder, with 300 odd million, how do the same families keep winning? That the whole thing's not a stacked deck? It's really weird. To outsiders, there's obviously something deeply corrupt in America where a tiny ruling dynasty keep getting themselves elected. There's a 'queue' and Hilary was at the top because of her connections. SNL even joked before the election that if she wasn't elected, she'd be back next time as it was still her 'turn' to be president. Trump is not part of that club, that's what he's talking about. By supporting that corrupt status quo the democrats helped a monster like Trump be elected.

hueving 10y ago

>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million He didn't inherit it with a bunch of strings attached from lobbyists. The Clintons have been pulling money into their foundation leveraging political connections built up over decades. People don't care that he's rich with daddy's money, they care that it's not "decades of political speeches and political fundraising money". >He didn't pay his taxes He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount. The fact that people think taking a loss write-off is some kind of black mark shows how stupid many people really are. >And if you think the political system is broken, well, you haven't seen nothing yet You may be right, but many people were voting in a massive change to the system. "drain the swap" was the slogan

_andromeda_ 10y ago
Ah! A breath of fresh air on HN. >He would be a moron if he didn't pay the legally required amount Precisely. Why would anyone pay more taxes than they're legally required to? He'd be in jail otherwise. You see, people are caught up in complexity instead of asking simple questions such as these. It is however so blatantly obvious that folks attacking Trump on such issues don't have anything concrete to discredit President Trump. >>He's a billionaire who inherited around $750 million Again, WRONG! So blatantly obvious this is a lie. He did not inherit that much and even if he did, why is that a problem for anyone? Trump's voters weren't voting for his flaws (which were largely exaggerated by the dishonest media), they were voting for him because he was the only one who seemed to understand just how dire things have become, not just in America but globally. The left has largely been all about status quo and the vilification of producers. What has emerged now is that the left cannot be placated any longer. Time for radical action has come. Immorality, indolence, abortions, illegal immigration, egalitarianism, fundamentalism/Islamic radicalization and social welfare have no place in 21st century civilization. It is time for normalcy to resume and voters all over the world from France To Italy To America have realized that only the right can provide this normalcy. All the socialist parties in the world are losing and this is a clear indication that the pendulum has swung for the better. EDIT: Here's a list of world leaders likely to emulate the brilliant things Trump is doing when they come into power: Norbert Hofer - Austria, Marine Le Pen - France, Frauke Petry - Germany (with a very impressive movement called Alternative For Germany which has taken a cue from Brexit with their anti-EU mantra), Jimmie Akesson - Sweden, Andrej Babis - Czech, Beppe Grillo - Italy, Geert Wilders - Netherlanders, Nigel Farage - United Kingdom
espadrine 10y ago
> He didn't inherit it That is not the point. Why is Clinton owing the wealthy for their donations a problem? Because it makes her more likely to yield to their demands. Corruption creates a pay-to-win game. But putting the wealthy in power cuts the middle man, worsening the situation: now they don't even need to provide donations, they are either on the President's cabinet, or are the President himself! > "drain the swap" was the slogan Populism at work; there was no need for it to be honest. It is a true issue, but someone that points it out does not automatically become an outsider of the system. He was very much part of the system, and was open about it, bragging about his political donations.

belorn 10y ago

To take a note from popular culture, I recall how the primary plot of House of cards - season 2, was the difference between power and money. Power is describe as created by favor and influence, while money mostly creates more money.