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From Fox News: That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States afte

by ern 10y ago

From Fox News: That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-stay-to-allow-those-with-visas-to-remain.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/29/federal-judge-grants-st... Googling "Green cards visa blocked" gives plenty more results.

leereeves 10y ago
Finding a source isn't the problem. The problem is finding the truth amid all the confusion and partisanship. > White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus: "We didn't overrule the Department of Homeland Security, as far as green card holders moving forward, it doesn't affect them" http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigration-order-doesn-t-include-green-card-holders-anyone-n713731 http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigr... I'm wondering if this was a reversal or a misunderstanding.
- ern 10y ago
  A reversal (Google for "trump reverse green card"): http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-reince-priebus-green-card-holders-visa-travel-warning-a7552041.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum... In case you don't trust The Independent Here's a solidly right wing source to back it up: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive-order-covers-green-cards-why http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive...
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Both of those sources are merely someone's opinion. The order was signed on Jan 27. On the morning of Jan 29, Priebus said that it did not affect green card holders. If that's a reversal, it was remarkably quick.
    - ern 10y ago
      "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Green-card-holders-included-in-Trump-ban-479839 http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Gree... Now, of course, one could argue that the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was making things up, but the overwhelming evidence, from ideologically and geographically diverse news sources all says the same thing: the ban included green cards, before being reversed.
      - leereeves 10y ago
        Selective quoting? A senior White House official later sought to clarify the situation, saying green card holders who had left the United States and wanted to return would have to visit a U.S. embassy or consulate to undergo additional screening. Additional screening, not barring green card holders.
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        nl 10y ago
        There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening... Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes. Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.[1] They were making it up as they went, and different parts of the government got different messages. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/ http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-trav...

by ern 10y ago

leereeves 10y ago

Finding a source isn't the problem. The problem is finding the truth amid all the confusion and partisanship. > White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus: "We didn't overrule the Department of Homeland Security, as far as green card holders moving forward, it doesn't affect them" http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigration-order-doesn-t-include-green-card-holders-anyone-n713731 http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/priebus-immigr... I'm wondering if this was a reversal or a misunderstanding.

ern 10y ago
A reversal (Google for "trump reverse green card"): http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-reince-priebus-green-card-holders-visa-travel-warning-a7552041.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum... In case you don't trust The Independent Here's a solidly right wing source to back it up: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive-order-covers-green-cards-why http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444372/trumps-executive...
- leereeves 10y ago
  Both of those sources are merely someone's opinion. The order was signed on Jan 27. On the morning of Jan 29, Priebus said that it did not affect green card holders. If that's a reversal, it was remarkably quick.
  - ern 10y ago
    "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Green-card-holders-included-in-Trump-ban-479839 http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/US-Homeland-Security-Gree... Now, of course, one could argue that the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was making things up, but the overwhelming evidence, from ideologically and geographically diverse news sources all says the same thing: the ban included green cards, before being reversed.
    - leereeves 10y ago
      Selective quoting? A senior White House official later sought to clarify the situation, saying green card holders who had left the United States and wanted to return would have to visit a U.S. embassy or consulate to undergo additional screening. Additional screening, not barring green card holders.
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      - nl 10y ago
        There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening... Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes. Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.[1] They were making it up as they went, and different parts of the government got different messages. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/ http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-trav...